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Old 03-03-2013, 02:47 AM   #1
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There is no foreign rules in SM-Liiga

Will there be foreign rules for non-EU players? or EU players?

Player salaries are out of control and hopefully fixed in next build

Hopefully also team budjets and player roll budjets. SaiPa has waay too big (over 9 million USD) and ticket prizes also hopefully fixed (now SaiPa's tickets cost amazing 1USD).

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Will there be foreign rules for non-EU players? or EU players?
This is something what I'm not sure.. I need to ask this from developers.

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Hopefully also team budjets and player roll budjets. SaiPa has waay too big (over 9 million USD) and ticket prizes also hopefully fixed (now SaiPa's tickets cost amazing 1USD).
We are working on it currently and it is fixed (I hope) in next update. I can't see if we got numbers right before next beta build/database update.

I'm looking at ticket prizes soon. I need to find ticket revenue numbers for every SML team so I can calculate average ticket prizes. I can set approximed league average ticket prize for teams in next update tho.

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I forgot yeasterday report about Mestis simulation bug.

When i simulate SM-Liiga season i saw that Mestis team and player stats are untouchable.

That means 1st team on the list (in this case SaPKo) gets "free ticket" to SM-Liiga Qualifiers.

Or does it happens cause Mestis is unplayable?
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I forgot yeasterday report about Mestis simulation bug.

When i simulate SM-Liiga season i saw that Mestis team and player stats are untouchable.

That means 1st team on the list (in this case SaPKo) gets "free ticket" to SM-Liiga Qualifiers.

Or does it happens cause Mestis is unplayable?
Exactly.
There's no stats generator for unplayable leagues in game yet, but it is going to be added sooner or later.

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Will there be foreign rules for non-EU players? or EU players?
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Just a sidenote but the foreign rule is currently under discussion should it remain for the next season in real life. It is kinda pointless now when half of the north american players have anyways second passport with EU-nationality and are not counted as foreigners. (Azevedo, Rosa, Abid, (Spang), etc)
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Just a sidenote but the foreign rule is currently under discussion should it remain for the next season in real life. It is kinda pointless now when half of the north american players have anyways second passport with EU-nationality and are not counted as foreigners. (Azevedo, Rosa, Abid, (Spang), etc)
Yeah. I didn't remember that. Good that you noticed that. But how about Elitserien? They have Non-EU player limit.
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Yeah. I didn't remember that. Good that you noticed that. But how about Elitserien? They have Non-EU player limit.
Elitserien is removing foreigner limits for next season.
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Elitserien is removing foreigner limits for next season.
Ok good to know. Then everything is alright.
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I have a few suggestions and improvements:

- Games in the first season the games are the wrong way round because in Europe is designated the home team called the first and not style of NHL that the first away team and then home team.

- In Sm-league teams with the same number of points as the ranking of the league table resolved the following criteria: 1. the most three-point victories 2. goal difference 3. goals scored 4. mutual games victories... So I think that this is not right yet ?

- Players contracts are unrealistic (too long and too expensive)

- In SM-League playoffs regular season better-placed team plays first at home and second game is away and third game is home again.. So now they play like in NHL, first two home games then two away games.

- There is not bronze medal game. It should be.

- In playoffs attendance figures are unrealistic (usually arenas are always full)

- Awards are not their real names and the championship goes by the name Canada Cup... maybe a fix for this would be nice also.

- Teams send over age players to their a-junior team (at least goalkeepers)

- HPK Hämeenlinna player called Ville-Veikko Eerola correct first name is Ville-Veikko not Villle-Veikko

I can list more things if it helps.
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I have a few suggestions and improvements:

- Games in the first season the games are the wrong way round because in Europe is designated the home team called the first and not style of NHL that the first away team and then home team.

- In Sm-league teams with the same number of points as the ranking of the league table resolved the following criteria: 1. the most three-point victories 2. goal difference 3. goals scored 4. mutual games victories... So I think that this is not right yet ?

- In SM-League playoffs regular season better-placed team plays first at home and second game is away and third game is home again.. So now they play like in NHL, first two home games then two away games.

- There is not bronze medal game. It should be.
I'm adding these in suggestion list. These are kind of low priority currently, but I think that eventually we will see these in game

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- In playoffs attendance figures are unrealistic (usually arenas are always full)
Is attendance at same level than in regular season?

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- Awards are not their real names and the championship goes by the name Canada Cup... maybe a fix for this would be nice also.
This is probably license issue.

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- Players contracts are unrealistic (too long and too expensive)
Those are fixed in next beta build/database update. Or at least those are little more realistic.

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- Teams send over age players to their a-junior team (at least goalkeepers)
I'm asking producers to fix this.

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- HPK Hämeenlinna player called Ville-Veikko Eerola correct first name is Ville-Veikko not Villle-Veikko

I can list more things if it helps.
Fixed.

Just hit me if you find anything. It certainly helps.
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I meant that the attendance is too low in playoff games, and yes i think the same as the regular season. In real life arenas are usually sold out in playoff games.
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I simulated 3 season, and I did summaries about overachievement and underachievement players. I compared the real-life points this season. Injuries have been taken into account.


Blues Espoo

Bad overachievement:
- RW Kristian Kuusela (1.season 52, 31+22=53, 20.27) (2.season 50, 35+17=52, 20.19) (3.season 60, 35+32=65, 19.44) -- IRL 57, 10+28=38, 19.09
- LW Tommi Huhtala (1.season 60, 15+41=56, 20.30) (2.season 60, 20+33=53, 20.37) (3.season 60, 22+28=50, 19.58) -- IRL 52, 22+10=32, 15.54


Mild overachievement:
- D Jani Hakanpää (1.season 54, 3+25=28, 22.57) (2.season 59, 2+18=20, 23.09) (3.season 60, 2+14=16, 23.38) -- IRL 33, 2+3=5, 18.26
- C Tomi Sallinen (1.season 60, 20+26=46, 20.46) (2.season 60, 21+28=49, 21.15) (3.season 60, 24+29=53, 21.14) -- IRL 56, 12+22=32, 19.38


Bad underachievement:
- G Antti Ore (1.season, 2.season and 3.season team sent him to juniors, no played games) -- IRL 22 played games
- RW Eetu Pöysti (1.season 10, 0+2=2, 5.06) (2.season 19, 1+0=1, 3.51) (3.season 7, 1+0=1, 4.15) -- IRL 51, 2+3=5, 12.34
- C Valtteri Virkkunen (1.season 0, 0+0=0, 0.00) (2.season 1, 0+0=0, 6.08) (3.season 0, 0+0=0, 0.00) -- IRL 53, 1+2=3, 9.40
- C Miro Aaltonen (1.season 8, 0+1=1, 5.39) (2.season 1, 0+0=0, 6.54) (3.season 0, 0+0=0, 0.00) -- IRL 32, 11+5=16, 13.57

Mild underachievement:
- C Mark Lee (1.season 60, 7+4=11, 8.47) (2.season 60, 8+7=15, 14.04) (3.season 50, 8+11=19, 9.25) -- IRL 34, 2+10=12, 15.27


Lazion tell what you think that will this informations help or not ?
I will list all other teams later today or tomorrow if this helps.

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Lazion tell what you think that will this informations help or not ?
I will list all other teams later today or tomorrow if this helps.
It helps a lot.
Can you add average time on ice in these stats too?


- RW Kristian Kuusela
- LW Tommi Huhtala
- C Tomi Sallinen

I'll decrease their offensive abilites and change template for Kuusela and Huhtala.


- D Jani Hakanpää

He seems to score correct amount of goals. He probably gathered too many assists because first forward line is overpowered.

- C Miro Aaltonen

I'll change him to LW so he can get more ice time.

- G Antti Ore

Was Volden Blues's backup goalie? I might just drop Volden's abilities slighty.. btw how did Volden perform?

- RW Eetu Pöysti

I would love to see his atoi. I found that 4th liners do not get enough time on ice in game.

- C Mark Lee

I'll do small tweak to him.

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Had some free time so I also simulated sm-league couple of times. One thing I also noticed is that the 4th lines get too few minutes on the ice, around 5 mins, when in reality its over 10mins.

Another thing is too many players play full 60 games. This causes players like Järveläinen and Leino with zero played games. Im not sure if there's things like automatic suspensions after too many misconducts and too few day-to-day injuries which cause some games missed IRL.

Anyways these things are problems with the game and not the rosters, and should be probably be reported elsewhere.

I only checked HPK for now as I am most familiar with it. Some things are bit harder to evaluate since some players have missed lots of time this year (defenders), and ofcourse the lockout had some effect on stats. But here is the list of things that were most notable.

Goalies
Tolvanen 0-1 gp vs Saros 10-15gp

Saros is REALLY good prospect, but he only played in juniors this year. IRL it makes sense to get all the possible playing time for him in juniors and not sit on the bench. Anyways he will be the second goalie next year and Tolvanen will be gone, so i'm not really sure should Tolvanen be rated bit higher for now.

Defense

Jordan Henry played under 10 games each sim. So I guess he is bit underrated. IRL he played all the games in the first pair with Laakso before the suspension, with lots of SHTOI, and some PPTOI. He's quite good defensively and likes to join the rush when possible. Has surpisingly good hands as his coast to coast goal againts Kalpa shows. Anyways he probably returns to AHL after this season but no harm to rate him correctly

Eerola seems to play all the games, though he should be 8-9th defender when all others are healthy. So some rating decrease would make sense.

Offense

Jesse Saarinen 21+19, 18+23, 19+20, quite accurate for pre-concussion Saarinen. But after his return he has only 1+1 in 17 games. Not sure what do with him.

Otto Paajanen played under 10 games. IRL he is the only player who has played all the games as a 4th line center. Plays a lot shorthanded shifts. Most likely the reason is that Tuomas Vänttinen is treated as center, when in reality he has played as winger, when four other centers have been healthy. So maybe change Vänttinen to RW, or bump ratings of Paajanen, or maybe the developers should improve the line construction AI to use secondary positions more efficiently.

Juha Kiilholma scored 1-3 goals per sim with around 10mins of TOI. IRL last two seasons 8 and 10 goals with 15mins TOI. Improving the center situation could fix this also.

Teemu Rautiainen has 100+ mins shorthanded toi, in reality he doesnt play SH at all. Small offensive player.

Viitaluoma & Sallinen play more shorthanded minutes than the overall 40mins in sims. Fixing Rautiainen should help a bit.

Otherwise good job! I'll check other teams also when I have more time.

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Had some free time so I also simulated sm-league couple of times.
Tolvanen 0-1 gp vs Saros 10-15gp
This is something what we need to discuss with other researchers.
We are using specific ability ranges for each league and I'v been concerned that junior league ability level is too high. Saros is currently rated as top goalie in U20 and Tolvanen is rated as medicore backup in SML.
I can't drop U20 ability level without that we drop abilities for juniors in other countries. Otherwise Finnish prospects can't compete againts juniors worldwide.

Jordan Henry
He is underrated. I'll bumb him up.

Eerola
He is rated with Mestis scale which seems to be too high too. I'll see what I can do.

Jesse Saarinen
I'll drop mental and physical abilities.

Otto Paajanen
I'll bumb his defensive and physical abilities.

Juha Kiilholma
Maybe sligth increase to offensive ability

Teemu Rautiainen
This is weird one. He is far from even decent pk player in db.. I consider this as a bug. Do you still have save game file stored? Can you look at his defensive and mental attributes.. maybe post a screenshot in here or type his attributes?

Big thanks for this list.

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Okay, now I updated ATOI to Espoo Blues players.

And yes, Volden was Blues's backup goalie. He played about 20 games and SV% was about 91,5 every season. If u need more information, please let me know, then I can send.

So, now I will list couple more teams and and the rest tomorrow.
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HIFK Helsinki

Bad overachievement:



Mild overachievement:
- C Markus Granlund (1.kausi 60, 17+36=53, 20.36) (2.kausi 60, 15+19=34, 20.08) (3.kausi 60, 15+29=44, 20.16) -- IRL 50, 10+20=30, 17.05


Bad underachievement:
- C Joni Töykkälä (1.kausi 0, 0+0=0, 0.00) (2.kausi 9, 0+1=1, 4.42) (3.kausi 0, 0+0=0, 0.00) -- IRL 42, 1+3=4, 11.58
- C Joël Perrault (1.kausi 39, 3+10=13, 6.28) (2.kausi 34, 1+4=5, 6.07) (3.kausi 29, 4+2=6, 10.37) -- IRL 19, 4+5=9, 15.13


Mild underachievement:
- D Kyle Klubertanz (1.season 46 3+13=16, 19.24) (2.season 44, 3+10=13, 23.10) (3.season 55, 5+20=25, 22.48) -- IRL 40, 5+20=25, 23.33
- D Juuso Salmi (1.kausi 0, 0+0=0, 0.00) (2.kausi 4, 0+1=1, 25.44) (3.kausi 1, 0+0=0, 19.32) -- IRL 25, 0+3=3, 12.22
- D Toni Söderholm (1.kausi 55, 6+10=16, 17.31) (2.kausi 32, 2+6=8, 20.28) (3.kausi 60, 3+17=20, 16.15) -- IRL 52, 4+21=25, 23.48
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Oh and can someone post average goals scored in game in SM-liiga (both, average in league settings and average after simulated season)? I'm not sure if averages are at correct level in public beta.
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