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08-02-2004, 04:23 PM | #21 |
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I hope you don't mind me continuing on about this when I'm really mostly just interested from my own perspective about how the league totals work and not so much about your problem. Can you describe precisely what you did? Here's what I'm thinking you did, and please correct anything I get wrong...
Create custom league. After setting up the cities like you wanted and picking fictional players, no players, or whatever, you set the year start on to 1901. Then you hit Generate League. Maybe you did other stuff next, but eventually you got to the engine setup where you can edit the league totals. What you saw were the regular default numbers, the left-hand numbers below: Code:
Default Recalc AB - 166737 166737 H - 44057 41251 2B - 8827 12178 3B - 934 649 HR - 5207 27368 BB - 15889 17403 HBP - 1894 1618 SO - 30801 68742 BABIP- .297 .297 (.197) When I was testing I did something similar creating a custom league then trying to adjust the league totals to something like deadball era numbers. My logic was that whatever percentage change you wanted, you'd alter the totals number by the inverse of that percentage. For example something along the lines of... if I wanted 1/4th the number of HR, make the totals number 4 times what it was. In the totals changes above the HR number went up by a factor of 5 and the K number by a factor of 2, so I'd figure the HR results would be about 1/5th modern day numbers, and there would be about one-half the strikeouts. In reference to my comment in the other thread you said you did not understand about making big adjustments, let me elaborate to try to clarify. The adjustments from the default modern day league totals (that are apparently hard-wired into a custom league when it is generated regardless of the starting year) to deadball type numbers can be too extreme to work. I had a case where in trying to lower strikeouts by increasing the K league total number, I had too more just hits & K than AB, and the league crashed or locked up when I tried to sim it. Take the adjusted numbers above - the 2B+3B+HR is only ~1000 less than the hits total apparently leaving little room for singles. |
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yes, that's what I did, but when I hit the Calculate button, my league froze when attempting to sim. If I didn't hit the Calculate button, or change the BABIP from .297, it ran fine, with the exception of the .550 thru June averages that several players had.
The numbers above - are those defaults after hitting "recalculate for historical accuracy" or are they modified from that, after the fact? I understand what you're saying about H+K being more than AB and the problems that could result from that, but am I to assume the game itself doesn't have it's own checksum for that? No offense to Markus, but shouldn't that be an elementary element of the League Totals system? At the same token, are we exposing a flaw in the League Totals section for historical leagues? If the default action leaves nothing much for singles, does the "recalculate for historical accuracy" become a highly inaccurate form of adjustment, more so than simply leaving it alone altogether? What happened from 6.02 to 6.03? I think I might reinstall, start at 6.00, see what happens, and apply patches until it breaks again and go from there.
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...while I'm thinking about this, and making chicken fajitas at the same time...
My guess is that my .550 averages might have something to do with BABIP not changing. Henry suggested upping the Hits totals in the League Totals, and for the life of me I haven't found time to try it since, so he may be right... I'll try to get to that tonight. As for other stats, they all seem good; guys with 4,5 HR in late June at most, but ERAs are high, as likely expected with the BA's I'm getting. I'm not sure about other things, since I was so shocked at the BA's. If the Hits suggestion doesn't work, I'll go back to 6.00 and start from there. Who knows? Maybe I might be on to something? We'll see.
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okay, I increased the Hits from the 41251 above to 53000 and left everything else the same after recalculating without hitting calculate for BABIP.
League leaders hit .299 and .310, with HR leaders at 11 and 9. Couldn't score runs though, as the league leaders in runs and were 72 and 63 and RBI was 65 and 65. Overall, teams hit about .225 across the board, with a low of .210 and a high of .242 I'm gonna try resetting hits to half what I did, around 47000 or 48000 and see what happens. Probly raise HR a little bit too. Makes me wonder though, what is BABIP good for?
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That could make sense to me, except like you say for the BABIP factor. I thought the AB, K, BB, HR numbers were used to see if the ball was not in play, then if it was in play the BABIP number was used to see if there was a non-HR hit. I feel like I used to know how this stuff worked but that now I have no clue . |
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at 48000 in hits and 31000 in HR, we're getting closer. BA is about 30 points or so too high, HRs are just about right on, but runs scored are about 1-1.5 runs too low per game per team.
...still adjusting.
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well, now I just gotta figure out how to lower averages, yet squeeze out a 2-3 more runs a game total.
...but that's for another day. I'm tired. Thanks, Steve, for the suggestion. I think I'm headed in the right direction.
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If Avg and power are good, that doesn't leave much room for tweaking. Gap power and walks?
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08-03-2004, 06:42 AM | #32 |
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I don't want to modify player ratings, I just want to mess with the League Totals. I started by lowering the 2B numbers, to see if I get more 2B and more runs, but it was too late to mess with it. I still want to try the different patches to see if the Calculate button works, since I know it did in OOTP5.
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I reinstalled 6.00 without patches and had the same problem.
Therefore, I'm in the process of modifying League Totals, simming a season, modifying again, simming again, until I get it right.
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08-12-2004, 07:05 AM | #34 |
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bump for an update.
I finally got some league totals that gave me stats I was happy with, so I simmed 1901-1920. Now I'm in 1921 and am trying to re-adjust again, without much luck. However, the 'calculate' button now works without freezing the league.
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