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Old 08-06-2017, 05:05 PM   #1
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Lead runner thrown out way too often on sacrifice bunts?

I'm talking like 90% of the time the lead runner will be thrown out on sacrifice bunts regardless of the sacrifice bunting rating of the player bunting. It's just kind of disheartening having a guy on 1st and 2nd with no outs and then having the lead runner thrown out at third on a sacrifice attempt. Does anyone else have these types of results or is it just an anomaly?
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:08 PM   #2
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I'm talking like 90% of the time the lead runner will be thrown out on sacrifice bunts regardless of the sacrifice bunting rating of the player bunting. It's just kind of disheartening having a guy on 1st and 2nd with no outs and then having the lead runner thrown out at third on a sacrifice attempt. Does anyone else have these types of results or is it just an anomaly?
I don't have a large enough sample size but I feel the same way and no longer use bunt.

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Old 08-06-2017, 06:53 PM   #3
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happens to me all the time. doesn't matter how fast the runner is or how good the bunter is. turn down bunt frequency as low as your manager will let you
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:09 PM   #4
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I play out all of my games and am not seeing this. I do see this play on occasion and if it happens a few times in short succession it sticks in my mind. But with v18 I haven't seen these streaks continue.

The only way to really know would be to document the instances and compare to real life numbers. Start a thread with the data for others to look at and contribute to. I've seen "data threads" develop into a tweak in code before as more players start tracking and reporting data that proves there is a problem.

Markus is very good about making adjustments if one can supply data but without that, more than likely, nothing will be done.
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:59 PM   #5
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I play out all of my games and am not seeing this. I do see this play on occasion and if it happens a few times in short succession it sticks in my mind. But with v18 I haven't seen these streaks continue.

The only way to really know would be to document the instances and compare to real life numbers. Start a thread with the data for others to look at and contribute to. I've seen "data threads" develop into a tweak in code before as more players start tracking and reporting data that proves there is a problem.

Markus is very good about making adjustments if one can supply data but without that, more than likely, nothing will be done.
Pretty much my sentiments, too. Frustrates me when it happens, but it doesn't more often than it does, IMO.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:34 PM   #6
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I think it happens more in the game than it does in the majors but it's not significant for me. I dont bunt a ton. Usually only if I need an insurance run or if a batter is struggling.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:32 PM   #8
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agree, especially when sacrificing from 2nd to 3rd.

runner going to 3rd is almost always out.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:44 PM   #9
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I'm seeing this a lot as well. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen lead runners thrown out on bunts, or the hitter bunting into a double play. I was hoping someone could point out a modifier that could be adjusted to correct this.
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Old 08-07-2017, 04:10 PM   #10
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I play 'em all out and have my pitchers sacrifice fairly often, not seeing lead runners thrown out often, and when my team is in the field hardly ever.
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:06 PM   #11
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The sarcastic answer is that any manager who sacrifices with men on 1st and 2nd with 0 out should be fired unless it is very late (8th 9th) and 1 run back or tied and a weak hitter but good bunter at the plate and the team has nothing going on all game. Just about any other situation is bad managing.

When John Farrell was managing the Blue Jays in 201-12 he did this all the time, at the wrong time (first 5 innings), and I went crazy both at the park and in my living room. The OP should give some context, including whether this is just the games he plays out, or in AI v AI game logs.If it is just the played out games the sample size is suspect. To be clear 10 isn't enough.

If it truly happens 90% of the time; one or two hundred examples should be easy to find across any OOTP league.
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:38 PM   #12
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Agreed it happens too frequently. Not 90%, but more often than in real life.
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:52 PM   #13
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What is the real life rate? I don't know and I doubt if anybody posting does.
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Old 08-07-2017, 08:30 PM   #14
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What is the real life rate? I don't know and I doubt if anybody posting does.
Which remains a fundamental problem driving discussions, more in past versions and audience than recently, I'll give it that, but what are we really modeling? We need to care if it models correctly, or as correctly as is possible with the tools we're given. Occasionally, there's a sentiment that wants it to 'feel' a certain way, regardless of the facts or the data. That, in every case I can imagine, needs to be discouraged.

On the other hand, we should also provide the responses necessary to allow the user to achieve what it is he wants, even if it doesn't match the data. After all, it's his world. If he desires 'alternative facts,' we should be able to show him how, again, if it's possible. If not, then he needs to understand our aim and trust us in it, not insist- and no one is doing that here, I'm just ranting -that the game adjusts to accommodate an impression of reality. It's always a give and take.
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What is the real life rate? I don't know and I doubt if anybody posting does.
Where's LGO when we need him? Is there a place in OOTP to check put bunts?
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Where's LGO when we need him? Is there a place in OOTP to check put bunts?
BR has overall bunt success but it is not broken down to runners on 1B 2B 0 out.
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Old 08-08-2017, 02:25 AM   #17
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Happens a lot more now compared to prior version for me. I play out all games.


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Old 08-08-2017, 08:29 AM   #18
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I play out every game and I'm not seeing this. Just happens sometimes I guess. Does MLB track % of these situations.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:33 AM   #19
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Another thing to check when bunting is to check if the defense is playing in or normal. If they playing to defend the bunt.....guess what happens? Just saying
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Old 08-08-2017, 11:13 AM   #20
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Is there a modifier that affects this? When people complained about too many outfield assists, we discovered that their settings were off. Perhaps that's an issue for some people with bunting.
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