Option to Keep Closers out of Non-Save Situations

Danius · 08-11-2017, 11:30 AM

I would like to see an option to disable identified closers from constantly being put into non-save situations by the AI. I realize this is not conventional, as a team could go a week or more without getting into a save situation, in which case the closer would have no work. However, I would prefer that to what it is now...closers getting into basically every close game in the ninth inning, which results in them being the pitcher of record more often than an actual closer, and risking missing an actual opportunity to save, or be ineffective at saving, a game the next day because they are gassed. Maybe there is some way to give them more work outside of save situations, but ultimately, I'd like to see closers sticking to their jobs (or at least the option to make them do so).

bailey · 08-11-2017, 12:46 PM

A usage option for closer: 9th or later and lead.

This should be easy to add because their is already the same usage option for stopper "8th or later and lead".

Danius · 08-24-2017, 05:21 AM

Case and point about this issue - I just finished off a season in my fictional game save. My closer appeared in 6 of the 7 World Series games. Twice he came into the game in a save situation, and both times, he didn't give up a hit (1 walk). Four times, he came in when the game was either tied, or we were down a run. In all 4 of these instances, he gave up at least one run. One of these times, we were down a run, he gave up another, but we came back in the bottom of the 8th to tie it, and he was replaced for the ninth, so didn't figure in the decision. In the other 3 instances, we were tied when he entered, and he lost all 3 of those games, including Game 7.

World Series line - 6G, (0-3), 2SV, 5 1/3 IP, 9H, 2BB, 1HR, 10.25 ERA, 2.06 WHIP

Save situations - 2G (0-0) 2SV, 2 IP, 0H, 1BB, 0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP

Non-save situations - 4G (0-3), 3 1/3 IP, 9H, 1BB, 1HR, 16.20 ERA, 3.00 WHIP

Gotta love it when your closer has 3 of the 4 losses in the World Series, especially when he didn't even blow a save.

The Game · 08-24-2017, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danius

Case and point about this issue - I just finished off a season in my fictional game save. My closer appeared in 6 of the 7 World Series games. Twice he came into the game in a save situation, and both times, he didn't give up a hit (1 walk). Four times, he came in when the game was either tied, or we were down a run. In all 4 of these instances, he gave up at least one run. One of these times, we were down a run, he gave up another, but we came back in the bottom of the 8th to tie it, and he was replaced for the ninth, so didn't figure in the decision. In the other 3 instances, we were tied when he entered, and he lost all 3 of those games, including Game 7.

World Series line - 6G, (0-3), 2SV, 5 1/3 IP, 9H, 2BB, 1HR, 10.25 ERA, 2.06 WHIP

Save situations - 2G (0-0) 2SV, 2 IP, 0H, 1BB, 0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP

Non-save situations - 4G (0-3), 3 1/3 IP, 9H, 1BB, 1HR, 16.20 ERA, 3.00 WHIP

Gotta love it when your closer has 3 of the 4 losses in the World Series, especially when he didn't even blow a save.

Is see nothing wrong with CL coming in in non save situations.

CrescentMoonie · 08-28-2017, 09:49 PM

Obvious fix, but they won't do it as strategy that resembles real baseball isn't a priority over promotion/relegation, 3D, and a myriad of other superfluous things.

Gotta love the company fanboy rushing in to reference last season's WS, the one that was talked about for months because of how completely unique the bullpen usage was by both teams, as if it's proof that the game not having good AI is okay.

'94 EXPOS · 09-02-2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danius

Case and point about this issue - I just finished off a season in my fictional game save. My closer appeared in 6 of the 7 World Series games. Twice he came into the game in a save situation, and both times, he didn't give up a hit (1 walk). Four times, he came in when the game was either tied, or we were down a run. In all 4 of these instances, he gave up at least one run. One of these times, we were down a run, he gave up another, but we came back in the bottom of the 8th to tie it, and he was replaced for the ninth, so didn't figure in the decision. In the other 3 instances, we were tied when he entered, and he lost all 3 of those games, including Game 7.

World Series line - 6G, (0-3), 2SV, 5 1/3 IP, 9H, 2BB, 1HR, 10.25 ERA, 2.06 WHIP

Save situations - 2G (0-0) 2SV, 2 IP, 0H, 1BB, 0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP

Non-save situations - 4G (0-3), 3 1/3 IP, 9H, 1BB, 1HR, 16.20 ERA, 3.00 WHIP

Gotta love it when your closer has 3 of the 4 losses in the World Series, especially when he didn't even blow a save.

I see this all the time too....def some tweaking has to be done hear....either give the option to not put into a non-save situation or adjust how the closer performs in these situations....I think the concept of the closer not performing well in non-save situations is something that is common IRL, however not to the degree that the game is currently reflecting it

SirMichaelJordan · 09-04-2017, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Is see nothing wrong with CL coming in in non save situations.

Its a problem when its happening in the regular season for every team.

08-11-2017, 11:30 AM	#1
Danius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Northern Indiana, USA Posts: 121	Option to Keep Closers out of Non-Save Situations I would like to see an option to disable identified closers from constantly being put into non-save situations by the AI. I realize this is not conventional, as a team could go a week or more without getting into a save situation, in which case the closer would have no work. However, I would prefer that to what it is now...closers getting into basically every close game in the ninth inning, which results in them being the pitcher of record more often than an actual closer, and risking missing an actual opportunity to save, or be ineffective at saving, a game the next day because they are gassed. Maybe there is some way to give them more work outside of save situations, but ultimately, I'd like to see closers sticking to their jobs (or at least the option to make them do so). Last edited by Danius; 08-11-2017 at 11:33 AM.

08-11-2017, 12:46 PM	#2
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,128	A usage option for closer: 9th or later and lead. This should be easy to add because their is already the same usage option for stopper "8th or later and lead". __________________

08-24-2017, 05:21 AM	#3
Danius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Northern Indiana, USA Posts: 121	Case and point about this issue - I just finished off a season in my fictional game save. My closer appeared in 6 of the 7 World Series games. Twice he came into the game in a save situation, and both times, he didn't give up a hit (1 walk). Four times, he came in when the game was either tied, or we were down a run. In all 4 of these instances, he gave up at least one run. One of these times, we were down a run, he gave up another, but we came back in the bottom of the 8th to tie it, and he was replaced for the ninth, so didn't figure in the decision. In the other 3 instances, we were tied when he entered, and he lost all 3 of those games, including Game 7. World Series line - 6G, (0-3), 2SV, 5 1/3 IP, 9H, 2BB, 1HR, 10.25 ERA, 2.06 WHIP Save situations - 2G (0-0) 2SV, 2 IP, 0H, 1BB, 0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP Non-save situations - 4G (0-3), 3 1/3 IP, 9H, 1BB, 1HR, 16.20 ERA, 3.00 WHIP Gotta love it when your closer has 3 of the 4 losses in the World Series, especially when he didn't even blow a save. Last edited by Danius; 08-24-2017 at 10:29 AM.

08-28-2017, 09:49 PM	#5
CrescentMoonie Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 25	Obvious fix, but they won't do it as strategy that resembles real baseball isn't a priority over promotion/relegation, 3D, and a myriad of other superfluous things. Gotta love the company fanboy rushing in to reference last season's WS, the one that was talked about for months because of how completely unique the bullpen usage was by both teams, as if it's proof that the game not having good AI is okay.