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Frankly, having tried everything else on the market, I trust that FOF will still be the best out there. I don’t play mp anyway so have no stakes in this. It just seems like a major existing feature to be missing from any release. And apologies to the ootp/solecismic team; this is what you get for giving us the updates we crave 😄 |
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Doesn't surprise me in the least, be ready for an editor, and the code will probably be revamped. OOTP has always catered to the SP community, the new versions, new features, a lot for the SP, and few features for the online community. It appears they will follow the blueprint of OOTP, and why not they've done well. AS for me, SP doesn't interest me whatsoever, so I will not be purchasing it. As far as an editor it can lead, as has lead to many underhanded things going on, I.E. cheating. If the new game has an editor you had better know the commish of the league real well. Sad to see FOF headed in this direction.
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That said, a few thoughts... 1. My number one reaction is.... {yawn}. I say that because I can't help but think this is not much more than "under promise/over deliver." Even with Andreas's comments today, I'll be quite surprised if there's not MP in FOF 9.0. I'm not alarmed by this post. 2. I've long stated that the only reason I play MP is that the SP AI isn't strong enough to keep me interested. If Jim continues to improve the SP AI and/or continues to add tools to support house rules to the point where it's challenging enough as a SP-only game for me, I'd drop to one MP league, possibly zero. I'd much rather play at my own pace in my own way, but the AI makes doing so too easy, so MP is a "necessity" for that reason. 3. I thought it was an ill-timed post from Andreas. If I'd been asked, I'd have suggested not bringing up that possibility until the feature set gets released, and then if there's no MP, say it then with an explanation of why, secure in the knowledge that a fair bit of the hubbub about no MP would have been drowned out in the discussion of the excitement over the SP game. (The OOTP forum denizens on the whole have long been far more SP-centric than those of FOF.) As things stand now, there's either going to be an extended period of needless grumbling (if there ends up being MP in the release,) or some people who *might* have been willing to try a SP-only version had it been sprung on them as a surprise will have had weeks to stir each other's anger and dig in their heels in refusal to give whatever is announced a chance. In short, I suspect that MP will now become a "cause" for some folks, if it hasn't already. (I mean, this is fairly obvious, given the number of folks posting complaints in this thread as either their first or close to their first posts ever at OOTP. It's a concerted "organized" effort--a cause.) However, even though I think the post was a mistake... 4. ...ultimately, the long-term impact of it will be minimal, even if they surprise me and the release doesn't have MP. The MP crowd is completely replaceable if they make a solid SP game, which I suspect they will do. As I stated earlier in this thread, folks like me who are either fully or nearly MP-only comprise a tiny fraction of the customer base. A properly done SP-only FOF with an OOTP interface should move more than 5K units, quite possibly 10K or more. A few dozen people upset that they don't get their #1 feature isn't going to put a dent in that. And even from a "forum buzz" perspective, as I mentioned earlier, these forums tend to have a ton more SP than MP discussion. We're replaceable. If they release a great SP game, they could wait several years to add MP, have every single current MP-only person refuse to buy another version in frustration, yet still easily surpass the number of people playing MP at its height. Adding the OOTP interface opens up a whole new world of potential customers who simply wouldn't touch FOF because of how it looked. I get that some MP-only people are getting emotional because they feel slighted, but as a business decision, I can't rationally argue with placing other features before MP. 5. They'd sell *more* games initially if they could put MP in this release. No question about that. The main thing they have to consider, as Andreas correctly referenced, is this: Quote:
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09-17-2018, 05:53 PM | #66 |
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In the end, understand that I will be available and ready to discuss everything that goes into (or out of) FOF9 thoroughly and completely.
While there have been some discussions of the role of MP in FOF9, because the FOF8 approach is not multi-platform, no final decisions have been made. Because of this post today and because of Markus' recent post, I think people deserve some sort of clarification of progress. I will do my best to post, before this weekend, everything I can. Including an answer tailored more specifically to what FlexD posted above as it relates to one of the major issues involved in how MP is implemented in FOF8. I guess I can assume that people don't like an interface designed for long game sessions and multiple monitors? Oh, well, time to scrap that approach. Part of me hoped I was revolutionizing the industry, but that part of me understands that I was just annoying many of you. GUI has never been much of a "viva la revolution" arena. So... as the Europeans like to say... keep calm and carry on. I will provide that update this week. If not, I deserve some torches and pitchforks. |
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I really like the option of opening various Windows at the same time. Sad it won't be there anymore, it was a great implementation.
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09-17-2018, 06:21 PM | #68 | |
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and as some quarterback would say, r-e-l-a-x . we'll be fine with a great game soon. |
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09-17-2018, 09:29 PM | #69 | |
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Personally the amount of clicking in gameplanning drives me up a wall and messes with my carpal tunnel like Diablo does. (Drag and drop instead of clicking plays in/out?) Anyway, appreciate the post after Andreas dropped a bit of a bomb out of nowhere. Looking forward to your next update. |
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09-17-2018, 10:44 PM | #70 |
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I fall into the camp that omitting multi-player from the initial release of the OOTP version would be a major mistake. I am a software professional as well (43 years and counting). I’ve observed many software companies driven by bottom line financial decisions only to regret those decisions later.
Also, I’m not quite sure how marginalizing the opinion of others who were compelled to post recently is beneficial. By the way, Jim made his 2nd post today - just stating the facts. Last edited by TribeFan19; 09-17-2018 at 11:09 PM. |
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The plan is roll out a new forum with FOF9, specifically with MP participants in mind. If no MP is forthcoming we can discuss alternatives. I hoped this move to OOTP would spark a change where a neutral could govern but obviously not.
FOFC had pretty much ground to a halt due to the ongoing issues so perhaps a split will allow everyone to get on and enjoy the game. Last edited by Markus Heinsohn; 09-18-2018 at 03:44 AM. |
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I feel like people who get angered by these types of things have it in their head that developers are choosing superfluous details/additions ahead of adding MP like "hmm we could add MP now but let's go with 3d end zone logos instead!" This is not the case. As Andreas has made clear and as I have seen in the past when working for OOTPD, ensuring a stable, workable game is always the key priority before any "extras" are added outside the main feature set. As you can imagine with a combining of these two franchises there are probably more kinks to iron out than say a normal FOF or OOTPD realease. What good is the addition of MP if the game is buggy or unstable? I was the PR/marketing director for Franchise Hockey Manager for a while and that game experienced the same thing - online wasnt able to be included right away because developer resources needed to be focused on stability and the core of the game. It was certainly not optimal and there was a lot of grumbling but it worked out for the best in the long run. |
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I don't feel the MP community thinks that MP will be replaced by flashy end zone logo's, we probably think the game is being pushed out without it (if that happens) so OoTP get sales quickly. Jim cared about us when he was Solesismic, i quite understand now that the decision makers at OoTP probably care about making money! As for you saying what is the point of making a game that is buggy or unstable, just delay the release and please get MP in correctly, I doubt the game will be out before Christmas so it's not like huge sales will be lost by a delay of a month or so. As for Hockey Manager i guess there was no MP community prior to the game release unlike with FOF, so if that is correct your point is irrelevant I am afraid! |
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Removed the last four posts of some of you sniping back at forth at one another. Everyone retreat to your corners. There's no need for personal stuff like that.
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I never painted OoTP as a corporate monster. Well thanks for the replies if you are correct i think the MP community certainty knows were it stands now |
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