Quick Starting and Online Leagues

capon3 · 07-20-2016, 10:16 PM

Hello everyone, I was wondering if there is a way to prevent Quick Starts when running an online league?

We are still using 16, and we just had a problem with 1 GM who was Quick Starting years ahead to see what players became good etc. We caught on by the trades he would make. For example he kept trading for random, what looked liked AAAA players, who later turned into All-Stars or MVPs. This happened enough times that we realized he must've been QS. We still didn't have 100% proof tho, until he posted his save games to help someone and we saw all these QS's he had.

Is it possible in settings or an add-on to prevent anyone in online leagues from Quick starting?

kq76 · 07-23-2016, 12:57 AM

Someone may be simming ahead to try to see things, but I don't believe for a second that you can tell which AAAA players are going to eventually become superstars. I could be wrong, but try copying a league a few times, sim each one the same amount of time and see if you find the same development. I seriously doubt you will. If we did, there'd be no point in people playing replay leagues because the same things would happen every time.

capon3 · 07-23-2016, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Someone may be simming ahead to try to see things, but I don't believe for a second that you can tell which AAAA players are going to eventually become superstars. I could be wrong, but try copying a league a few times, sim each one the same amount of time and see if you find the same development. I seriously doubt you will. If we did, there'd be no point in people playing replay leagues because the same things would happen every time.

No i agree, but when you QS in an online league you can see the editor page and true ratings. So the cheaters will use this to there advantage. For example this person made a trade for a player that didn't dev yet. And no scout was high on, within a few seasons he was an mvp catcher. He did this 4 more times at which point we caught on.

USF · 07-23-2016, 09:07 AM

Its an issue with ONLINE leagues.
My only recommendation before joining a league is to check out the history of the commish (age, experience, how long has the league been running, turnover why?) etc. Just as much as the commish should be asking the owner who joins a few questions - you should also ask the commish for some information.
Many guys are so quick to join a league just because the "words" sound so good but, try to focus on the activity and action of the league instead of those words. After all its your valuable time you are investing in the league and why would you want to waste it?
In terms of what can be done to prevent this in an online league - right now nothing really but, it is something we are going to talk about with the game developers in our BETA test online league.
Happy League hunting!

Jason

kq76 · 07-23-2016, 08:49 PM

Sorry, I spoke too early. I didn't fully grasp the significance of the quickstarting. I'm not sure that was even an online league feature when I used to participate in them. It does indeed seem to be a loophole that we have to push the developers to close by some form or another.

byzeil · 07-26-2016, 08:54 PM

The issue has been reported and the developers said it will be fixed in the next patch though no estimate was given as to when the patch will be available.

07-20-2016, 10:16 PM	#1
capon3 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 5	Quick Starting and Online Leagues Hello everyone, I was wondering if there is a way to prevent Quick Starts when running an online league? We are still using 16, and we just had a problem with 1 GM who was Quick Starting years ahead to see what players became good etc. We caught on by the trades he would make. For example he kept trading for random, what looked liked AAAA players, who later turned into All-Stars or MVPs. This happened enough times that we realized he must've been QS. We still didn't have 100% proof tho, until he posted his save games to help someone and we saw all these QS's he had. Is it possible in settings or an add-on to prevent anyone in online leagues from Quick starting?

07-23-2016, 12:57 AM	#2
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 10,703	Someone may be simming ahead to try to see things, but I don't believe for a second that you can tell which AAAA players are going to eventually become superstars. I could be wrong, but try copying a league a few times, sim each one the same amount of time and see if you find the same development. I seriously doubt you will. If we did, there'd be no point in people playing replay leagues because the same things would happen every time. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

07-23-2016, 08:49 PM	#5
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 10,703	Sorry, I spoke too early. I didn't fully grasp the significance of the quickstarting. I'm not sure that was even an online league feature when I used to participate in them. It does indeed seem to be a loophole that we have to push the developers to close by some form or another. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

07-23-2016, 09:07 AM	#4
USF All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maple, ON - Canada Posts: 1,058	Its an issue with ONLINE leagues. My only recommendation before joining a league is to check out the history of the commish (age, experience, how long has the league been running, turnover why?) etc. Just as much as the commish should be asking the owner who joins a few questions - you should also ask the commish for some information. Many guys are so quick to join a league just because the "words" sound so good but, try to focus on the activity and action of the league instead of those words. After all its your valuable time you are investing in the league and why would you want to waste it? In terms of what can be done to prevent this in an online league - right now nothing really but, it is something we are going to talk about with the game developers in our BETA test online league. Happy League hunting! Jason

07-26-2016, 08:54 PM	#6
byzeil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NJ, US Posts: 2,002	The issue has been reported and the developers said it will be fixed in the next patch though no estimate was given as to when the patch will be available.