OOTP vs. FM Revisited - Page 10

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

I don't think you understand how FM works.

says the guy who's played it how long? Hours since Steam:

09 - 752
10 - skipped
11 - 192
12 - 379
13 - 404

And you can more than double that when you include every Football Management game since Kevin Thoms' original Football Manager on 8 bit.

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

I think you might want to read up a little more on the match engine.

The match engine actually changes the outcome of plays and the game overall. That's been stated by the dev team and discussed at length on the web.

It's not merely a cosmetic improvement. It has a direct and substantial effect on gameplay and tactics. It alters the results from what you'd see in 2d.

No. It doesn't. Even if shouts and other on-the-fly adjustments actually worked properly (which they don't). There is nothing you can do in the 3D match engine that you cant do watching the game in 2D or even commentary alone modes.

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 04:22 PM

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luckymarine

19 Oct @ 12:17pm

Nothing has changed, they've bolted on a different tactic interface and thats about it.
Updated player lists and you have interviews for jobs which are all too easy to get through.

Its 2013 in a pretty dress with all the failings still glaringly obvious.
You'll still shout at the inept players running around like headless chickens in the match engine.

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 04:34 PM

Anyway, I'm not even sure why I got sidetracked into this pointless argument. As I've already said, yearly changes are always debateable in these kind of games; and, for the third time - I'm not even questioning this...what I'm questioning is the cost and the value: And the upshot of it all is that I wanted a NEW management game. So I bought OOTP because I [and that "I" there...see it??? It means 'ME' not 'YOU'] am not satisfied with paying £35 over and over for what I [oooh there it is again] believe is basically the same game.

Postscript: I still love the franchise, and no doubt I will return to it when I feel the time is right. Until then, I will stick to (and I believe this is a good general strategy) skipping at least every other year from now on. And yes, Lukasberger, the core game is, indeed, a great one but that doesn't mean it can't be improved still further without breaking it.

PSUColonel · 11-18-2013, 12:52 PM

Has anybody here given the new FM 14 a whirl?

PSUColonel · 11-18-2013, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Why I love Steam for gaming:

No CD's to find or keys to keep track of

My games are available on whatever computer I happen to be on

Games always work on my system

No fees

Discounted games on sale directly from Steam

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Multiplayer support

Community features (forums, etc.)

Workshops for game mods

Voice chat

Text chat

Friends lists

Trophies

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Yup...I used to hate STEAM, but I have now come around. Workshop is worth the price of admission...a great feature/tool

The Wolf · 11-19-2013, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Yup...I used to hate STEAM, but I have now come around. Workshop is worth the price of admission...a great feature/tool

I love it when I see that a game I just bought has a Workshop. Extra bonus value!

PSUColonel · 11-19-2013, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I love it when I see that a game I just bought has a Workshop. Extra bonus value!

I hope this will be the case for OOTP next year. That would be great for all of the logos, units, ballparks etc...

The Wolf · 11-19-2013, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I hope this will be the case for OOTP next year. That would be great for all of the logos, units, ballparks etc...

Yes. And I simply do not understand why Steam doesn't Greenlight OOTP. /boggle

PSUColonel · 11-19-2013, 03:11 AM

I can't say for sure, but I have a feeling they might this time.

SmoothGentleman · 11-19-2013, 03:28 PM

I still believe it's FM and it's not that close currently. FM has full coaching staffs and in FM there is more of the ability to just manage with new features while in OOTP you pretty can both manage and GM easily.

I'd like a feature where you can anger a manager by messing with the lineup and you can ask (and sometimes demand) a certain line up to add to realism. In FM you have the ability to speak to management for more allocation to funds in certain areas, which you cannot do in OOTP.

Even though I remember this being confirmed for OOTP 13, but it never showed up in the final product. OOTP is getting closer, just needs a slight bit more still to add to the realism factor with the Manager/Front Office relationships.

PSUColonel · 12-05-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I can't say for sure, but I have a feeling they might this time.

What a proclamation!!

PSUColonel · 12-08-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizzo

Just purchased the FM14 beta. This will either be the best game of my life or the downfall to my social life...or both...

How has it turned out for you? lol

Rizzo · 12-09-2013, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

How has it turned out for you? lol

I've been so busy that I haven't been able to dive into this just yet. The little I have played I have really enjoyed.

Statsman1 · 12-09-2013, 08:57 PM

As a Canadian, I can tell you that FM14 is...

incredibly in-depth
very detailed
sophisticated graphically
very, very good at reinforcing the idea that I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of an international soccer franchise

I feel like a complete idiot when I play that game (though who DOESN'T want to manage a team called "Crystal Palace") because I have no clue what the processes are to be successful.

However, you cannot argue with the depth of this game, and the attention to detail. If you're a soccer / football person, and you love OOTP, then you'll love FM.

ukhotstove · 12-10-2013, 01:19 AM

I used to love FM until OOTP showed me the fictional light and haven't really touched FM since, and before people say FM can do fictional try inputting 2,000 fictional towns in a country that doesn't even exsist and 1,000s of fictional names into it and see how you go.

Then there's historical, unless I missed something it doesn't exsist in FM. I'd love to play an historical league in FM with players like Keegan, Best, Moore and the Charlton's going against each other but you can't. OOTP on the other hand gives me a chance of Pete Rose tagging up at second on a Babe Ruth fly ball, until that happens FM will always take a back seat and that's coming from a football season ticket holder.

helm123 · 12-10-2013, 11:04 AM

Anyone running FM13 really owes it to themselves to go grab the FMUpdates EEE for FM13. You can start down in level 7/8 in the English league system.

Sports Interactive Community

They are currently finishing up the version for FM14.

The Wolf · 12-10-2013, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Statsman1

As a Canadian, I can tell you that FM14 is...

incredibly in-depth
very detailed
sophisticated graphically
very, very good at reinforcing the idea that I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of an international soccer franchise

I feel like a complete idiot when I play that game (though who DOESN'T want to manage a team called "Crystal Palace") because I have no clue what the processes are to be successful.

However, you cannot argue with the depth of this game, and the attention to detail. If you're a soccer / football person, and you love OOTP, then you'll love FM.

It works like that for us Americans, too. And I've been playing on one soccer/association football team or another since I was eight years old.

MUFC1878 · 12-12-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Then there's historical, unless I missed something it doesn't exsist in FM. I'd love to play an historical league in FM with players like Keegan, Best, Moore and the Charlton's going against each other but you can't. OOTP on the other hand gives me a chance of Pete Rose tagging up at second on a Babe Ruth fly ball, until that happens FM will always take a back seat and that's coming from a football season ticket holder.

There's one database with all the greats, but it's a bit of a mess since they're all active at the same time. It's fun for about a minute. The reason they won't add historical is just silly.

The Wolf · 12-12-2013, 06:25 PM

What reason did they give? I never saw it.

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10-21-2013, 04:34 PM	#184
MrMuse Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 116	Anyway, I'm not even sure why I got sidetracked into this pointless argument. As I've already said, yearly changes are always debateable in these kind of games; and, for the third time - I'm not even questioning this...what I'm questioning is the cost and the value: And the upshot of it all is that I wanted a NEW management game. So I bought OOTP because I [and that "I" there...see it??? It means 'ME' not 'YOU'] am not satisfied with paying £35 over and over for what I [oooh there it is again] believe is basically the same game. Postscript: I still love the franchise, and no doubt I will return to it when I feel the time is right. Until then, I will stick to (and I believe this is a good general strategy) skipping at least every other year from now on. And yes, Lukasberger, the core game is, indeed, a great one but that doesn't mean it can't be improved still further without breaking it. Last edited by MrMuse; 10-21-2013 at 04:48 PM.

11-18-2013, 12:52 PM	#185
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	Has anybody here given the new FM 14 a whirl? Last edited by PSUColonel; 11-19-2013 at 12:00 AM.

12-09-2013, 08:57 PM	#195
Statsman1 Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marmora, Ontario, Canada Posts: 332	As a Canadian, I can tell you that FM14 is... incredibly in-depth very detailed sophisticated graphically very, very good at reinforcing the idea that I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of an international soccer franchise I feel like a complete idiot when I play that game (though who DOESN'T want to manage a team called "Crystal Palace") because I have no clue what the processes are to be successful. However, you cannot argue with the depth of this game, and the attention to detail. If you're a soccer / football person, and you love OOTP, then you'll love FM. __________________ Statsman1

12-10-2013, 01:19 AM	#196
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	I used to love FM until OOTP showed me the fictional light and haven't really touched FM since, and before people say FM can do fictional try inputting 2,000 fictional towns in a country that doesn't even exsist and 1,000s of fictional names into it and see how you go. Then there's historical, unless I missed something it doesn't exsist in FM. I'd love to play an historical league in FM with players like Keegan, Best, Moore and the Charlton's going against each other but you can't. OOTP on the other hand gives me a chance of Pete Rose tagging up at second on a Babe Ruth fly ball, until that happens FM will always take a back seat and that's coming from a football season ticket holder. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

10-21-2013, 04:22 PM	#183
MrMuse Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 116	Quote: luckymarine 19 Oct @ 12:17pm Nothing has changed, they've bolted on a different tactic interface and thats about it. Updated player lists and you have interviews for jobs which are all too easy to get through. Its 2013 in a pretty dress with all the failings still glaringly obvious. You'll still shout at the inept players running around like headless chickens in the match engine.

11-19-2013, 03:11 AM	#190
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	I can't say for sure, but I have a feeling they might this time.

11-19-2013, 03:28 PM	#191
SmoothGentleman Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 394	I still believe it's FM and it's not that close currently. FM has full coaching staffs and in FM there is more of the ability to just manage with new features while in OOTP you pretty can both manage and GM easily. I'd like a feature where you can anger a manager by messing with the lineup and you can ask (and sometimes demand) a certain line up to add to realism. In FM you have the ability to speak to management for more allocation to funds in certain areas, which you cannot do in OOTP. Even though I remember this being confirmed for OOTP 13, but it never showed up in the final product. OOTP is getting closer, just needs a slight bit more still to add to the realism factor with the Manager/Front Office relationships.

12-10-2013, 11:04 AM	#197
helm123 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 29	Anyone running FM13 really owes it to themselves to go grab the FMUpdates EEE for FM13. You can start down in level 7/8 in the English league system. Sports Interactive Community They are currently finishing up the version for FM14.