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Old 08-12-2016, 02:12 AM   #81
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You can say that, but how do you know that? I understand certain things not being allowed, such as PEDs and certain news stories.
How do I know that? Common sense. A strong union like the MLBPA is not going to give its imprimatur to a product that has storylines where their members die.

Beside, you kinda answered your own question when you brought up the PEDs.
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Old 08-12-2016, 02:40 AM   #82
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I'm not trying to sound sadistic or anything, but I think player deaths would add a big challenge into the game just like CEI are, it's basically the same concept in all honest expect you know the CEI guy is alive

MILB and MLB players die all the time, Oscar Taveras is an example, he just died, out of the blue and was going into the prime of his career, you could argue that you could make an injury and call it "death" and have different news stories about it, like "So and so was involved in a major car accident. Then like 3 weeks later "so and so has tragically passed away today in ICU" it would be like a CEI, but in all honesty it's probably to much to have player mortality in this game, it just wouldn't feel right even though it's a part of life

This is a little P.S, I wish retired players who were 140 yrs+ could pass away, nothing serious, just make it like owners, because having a guy who is 156 kind of breaks the immersion by just a tad.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:35 AM   #83
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How do I know that? Common sense. A strong union like the MLBPA is not going to give its imprimatur to a product that has storylines where their members die.

Beside, you kinda answered your own question when you brought up the PEDs.
I don't understand your link between ped's and deaths, but anyway, I was referring to post career deaths. At the very least have the historical deaths. It's weird to see babe Ruth being 100 years old
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:33 AM   #84
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If the union wasn't going to allow storylines where its members get caught using drugs, it's not going to allow storylines where its members die. There's the link.

You were referring to post-career deaths? That was completely unclear, given that others also thought you were referring to in-career deaths.
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Old 08-13-2016, 10:11 AM   #85
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Nobody needs an Oscar Taveras storyline in the game. The real world is sad and full of enough **** so that I don't need that in my game. Career-ending injuries are well enough (and do the same job!) ...

However, that 1909 Pitcher of the Year still going strong on his 130th birthday is completely silly, non-sensical, and should have been changed years and years and years ago. Whenever a former player hits - say - 65, the clock starts ticking and every day is a tiny, tiny, tiny chance that slowly grows that he drops dead. Spawn news article for Hall of Famers, and whoever won a meaningful award. Done. It would even ADD to the game, by - decades later - invoking one last time the cherished memories of those that played the game in years and eras long gone.
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Old 08-15-2016, 07:03 AM   #86
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I currently have 11 baseball games installed on my computer. 16 if you count older versions of the same game. There's something to love about each one of them. But I spend at least twice as much time playing OOTP than I do the other 10 combined.
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Old 08-15-2016, 02:47 PM   #87
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Even the "best seller" Baseball Mogul Is very basic
Mogul is actually how I found OOTP.

I used to like the ease that Mogul was. It was so easy to pick up and play. But in the end, that's just because it has so many less features.

I don't think I've bought Mogul in several years despite becoming friends with Dee and Clay.

OOTP is just so much more in depth and realistic.
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Old 08-15-2016, 02:55 PM   #88
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I'm surprised that MLB lets the owners die and not just sell up.
Perhaps that's because team owners are as much corporations as they are individual persons.
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:00 PM   #89
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Perhaps that's because team owners are as much corporations as they are individual persons.
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But seriously, wouldn't that just strengthen the argument for "sell only"?
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But seriously, wouldn't that just strengthen the argument for "sell only"?
Club sales certainly could be added if there was the desire to. Sale prices could even be part of OOTP news articles, since, according to Forbes club valuation data, the sale price of a real-life club generally ranges from two to three times its revenue.
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Nobody needs an Oscar Taveras storyline in the game. The real world is sad and full of enough **** so that I don't need that in my game. Career-ending injuries are well enough (and do the same job!) ...

However, that 1909 Pitcher of the Year still going strong on his 130th birthday is completely silly, non-sensical, and should have been changed years and years and years ago. Whenever a former player hits - say - 65, the clock starts ticking and every day is a tiny, tiny, tiny chance that slowly grows that he drops dead. Spawn news article for Hall of Famers, and whoever won a meaningful award. Done. It would even ADD to the game, by - decades later - invoking one last time the cherished memories of those that played the game in years and eras long gone.
Or, a comprise: OOTP could just stop keeping track of ages after a certain point. Say, 10+ years after retirement. You'd get a date of birth, but no other age information.
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Or, a comprise: OOTP could just stop keeping track of ages after a certain point. Say, 10+ years after retirement. You'd get a date of birth, but no other age information.
That's a good idea
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Or, a comprise: OOTP could just stop keeping track of ages after a certain point. Say, 10+ years after retirement. You'd get a date of birth, but no other age information.
Not only that, but it could take the age at retirement, or the age of the player's greatest season, and generate a "retired" facegen based on that, which could be used for Hall of Fame plaques, etc.

They're already tracking age at retirement and "best team," could "age at best season" be that much harder?

Make it so, OOTP!
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Not only that, but it could take the age at retirement, or the age of the player's greatest season, and generate a "retired" facegen based on that, which could be used for Hall of Fame plaques, etc.

They're already tracking age at retirement and "best team," could "age at best season" be that much harder?

Make it so, OOTP!
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Not only that, but it could take the age at retirement, or the age of the player's greatest season, and generate a "retired" facegen based on that, which could be used for Hall of Fame plaques, etc.

They're already tracking age at retirement and "best team," could "age at best season" be that much harder?

Make it so, OOTP!
This is a fantastic idea, one that is not merely encapsulated be a mere "thanks" for suggesting it. No More Zombie HOFers! This was the Carlton Fisk's HR of FaceGen suggestions.
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This is a fantastic idea, one that is not merely encapsulated be a mere "thanks" for suggesting it. No More Zombie HOFers! This was the Carlton Fisk's HR of FaceGen suggestions.
Thanks. Honestly, your words are very kind. I certainly appreciate it and don't wish to sound ungrateful.

But did you look at my username before you posted that analogy?
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Thanks. Honestly, your words are very kind. I certainly appreciate it and don't wish to sound ungrateful.

But did you look at my username before you posted that analogy?
Yes, yes I did.

I figured that actually winning the World Series took away the sting a bit.
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I used to play Diamond Mind Baseball for years, but once OOTP came along that was the end of my DMB days.

The challenge and excitement of constructing and deconstructing a team as GM and manager with so much realism to the point where you can lose your job is something that no other baseball simulation whether it be a board game or computer game can offer.

IMHO, Diamond Mind started going downhill after Tom Tippett left the company to work for the Boston Red Sox. I used to love doing season replays back then, but got burned out on DMB not long after that and actually went back to Strat on the computer and board game. I still think Strat-O-Matic is the best baseball board game I've ever played. When I was younger I also played Statis-Pro Baseball which I enjoyed and APBA which is good although neither of them beats Strat.

I also tried playing Pursue The Pennant many years after I first saw the brochure and it's a good game, but I can see now why it didn't do as well as they would have liked it to: too advanced. Don't get me wrong, the developers did a fantastic job of making it as realistic as possible, but the board game was frustrating at times because most of the time consisted of looking at charts. A computer simulated game based on PTP called Dynasty League Baseball came out a few years later and it's good, but again, NOTHING beats OOTP.

If I could compare OOTP to any game, I'd say it's the baseball version of "Sim City". The same can be said for FHM as well.
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