AH Stagnant

<Pion> · 03-22-2019, 12:29 PM

For the most part, it looks like early on the AH is stagnant. Of course it's hard to see if a player goes up and then disappears via a BIN, but for the ones hanging around the AH for a while and getting bids, there doesn't seem to be a flurry of activity. For the most part, I would say it is because sellers are hoping to cash in by setting the prices higher. But this time around, the buyers may be a little bit more savvy and holding off for it to get a bit more reasonable. That's not to say that someone might make a killing on a rare or get a good return on a desired card. But for now it appears like most buyers are staying away.

I was hoping to get an exciting card and managed to pull a Diamond Sliding Billy Hamilton. First thought was to try to see what I could get for him, but what a fun card that would be to have in the lineup! Also got the gold Ozzie Smith with the defense that will take him into the highest leagues. There's a chance he could go for a premium price since people were getting 12 to 15K out of him PT19 and he never seemed to drop much in price.

atabakin · 03-22-2019, 12:34 PM

I think it's WAY too early to draw any conclusions. The first Steam customers are just now downloading the game, and many folks don't have access yet while at work. Those active in these first few hours make up a tiny subset of our population.

CrazyWR · 03-22-2019, 12:38 PM

yea definitely wait until at least tomorrow evening before trying to draw any conclusions

<Pion> · 03-22-2019, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by atabakin

I think it's WAY too early to draw any conclusions. The first Steam customers are just now downloading the game, and many folks don't have access yet while at work. Those active in these first few hours make up a tiny subset of our population.

What are you talking about, you mean not everyone is home all day like me

Yeah, if I made it sound like I was drawing conclusions, I definitely did not choose my words correctly. But just from what I've seen so far, I've been surprised at the lack of bids (which as you say there is a good reason for), and the high amounts some players are getting listed for (though I can't blame anyone for attempting to cash in what the chance is good).

atabakin · 03-22-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by <Pion>

What are you talking about, you mean not everyone is home all day like me

Yeah, if I made it sound like I was drawing conclusions, I definitely did not choose my words correctly. But just from what I've seen so far, I've been surprised at the lack of bids (which as you say there is a good reason for), and the high amounts some players are getting listed for (though I can't blame anyone for attempting to cash in what the chance is good).

Always better to try to set the market too high than too low. :-)

dkgo · 03-22-2019, 01:00 PM

makes sense to me.

you can always relist for a lower price if it doesn't sell, but there's no second chance at a higher one if you start too low

Markus Heinsohn · 03-22-2019, 02:26 PM

The game has been out for a couple of hours. If that does not scream "small sample size" then I don't know what is

<Pion> · 03-26-2019, 10:01 AM

224 pages of players available so volume of players up for bid is high. But prices remain high (not unexpected as the same thing happened in PT19) and probably will remain high until things settle into their place. For now, however, the amount of bidding going on at the Diamond and Perfect levels still remains stagnant. Just a guess, but I still think players know the values that were set in PT19 and are waiting for prices to come down to those levels. But has there been as much activity among the whales to get the premium players? It doesn't seem so. Most bidding at the higher levels so far has been on the modestly priced common diamonds (DeGrom, etc) with a couple of rare players getting bids.

Fun to watch it all play out. Should be interesting to see who breaks first, the sellers lowering their prices or buyers getting impatient. Haven't been watching the bronze/silver players much, so can't really speak on the activity level there. I also still think tournaments will have an effect (adverse) on the AH as there is more hoarding going on in anticipation of tournaments, and it "might" cause the prices of some players to remain higher than what we're used to seeing in PT19. I wonder if the F2P people looking forward to tournaments will find they have to use more PP to compete than they expected in tourneys.

rtkretz · 03-26-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by <Pion>

Haven't been watching the bronze/silver players much, so can't really speak on the activity level there.

Plenty of action down in the trenches, actually a surprising amount. Bronze & Lower prices are typically close to quick-sell levels for none historicals, but prices for certain Silvers are staying high along with the rest of the market. There are definitely people buying up quantities of lower valued cards as investments, as well as those, like me, who are building expansive card collections in preparation for the collections missions. Back and forth bidding has been commonplace, even for bronzes, over the past couple of days

Matt Arnold · 03-28-2019, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rtkretz

Plenty of action down in the trenches, actually a surprising amount. Bronze & Lower prices are typically close to quick-sell levels for none historicals, but prices for certain Silvers are staying high along with the rest of the market. There are definitely people buying up quantities of lower valued cards as investments, as well as those, like me, who are building expansive card collections in preparation for the collections missions. Back and forth bidding has been commonplace, even for bronzes, over the past couple of days

I know I've snagged a few high bronze cards hoping they have a strong first couple weeks to the season. 3 69-bronze cards at 40 each I just need one of them to gain a point and I've made a profit.

Chico Guilbault · 04-05-2019, 08:51 AM

Those of you who have PT experience...do we typically see more activity in the AH later in the week versus beginning? Are there any predictable fluctuations form buyer's market to seller's market or vice versa over time? Any trends at all of note?

Charlatan · 04-05-2019, 09:22 AM

I'm no expert but it seems to me that prices for non-live cards are going up. Current auctions are almost always higher than the average prices shown for the cards I'm looking at.

Just an anecdote so take it for what it is.

justpatrick · 04-05-2019, 11:25 AM

I feel that while there are some good deals to be had due to the wildly fluctuating prices of some cards, nonetheless a lot of the silver cards are overpriced, some extremely so (I´m talking to you, Jim Bouton!).
Gold seems to be the place to get some good deals I think. Higher I wouldn´t know.

Chico Guilbault · 04-05-2019, 11:33 AM

Yeah, I'm looking to sell a couple diamonds but not sure when might be the best time...or if there is even a time one could point to as better.

Charlatan · 04-05-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by justpatrick

I feel that while there are some good deals to be had due to the wildly fluctuating prices of some cards, nonetheless a lot of the silver cards are overpriced, some extremely so (I´m talking to you, Jim Bouton!).
Gold seems to be the place to get some good deals I think. Higher I wouldn´t know.

Being a "name" player definitely inflates the price, as does being a Yankee, so that's not too surprising. Although I did pick up a 59OVR Bucky Dent for only 6 PP

justpatrick · 04-05-2019, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Being a "name" player definitely inflates the price, as does being a Yankee, so that's not too surprising. Although I did pick up a 59OVR Bucky Dent for only 6 PP

To be honest, I´d buy him for a decent price just for some Ball Four nostalgia.

<Pion> · 04-08-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico Guilbault

Those of you who have PT experience...do we typically see more activity in the AH later in the week versus beginning? Are there any predictable fluctuations form buyer's market to seller's market or vice versa over time? Any trends at all of note?

Seems to me that the latter part of the week (Saturday/Sunday), prices for some players go up higher. My guess is that the sellers (at least in PT19) were trying to capitalize on people wanting to upgrade for the playoffs. Now, we'll have to add in those that are speculating that a player's value might go up when they are a Live player.

<Pion> · 04-08-2019, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Being a "name" player definitely inflates the price, as does being a Yankee, so that's not too surprising. Although I did pick up a 59OVR Bucky Dent for only 6 PP

There is an Al Gionfriddo listed for 2 million right now, so maybe some like the players who make memorable plays against the Yankees as well.

Charlatan · 04-08-2019, 01:50 PM

Yankee hate runs almost as strong as Yankee love.

Westheim · 04-14-2019, 06:23 AM

Some people are just funny. Somebody seems to have tried to corner the market on Marv Throneberries and Joel Youngbloods and possibly other low-key Unsung Hero cards, and is now selling them for 1k or more per card.

Not in my lifetime will I pay that for a 49-rated card.

03-22-2019, 12:29 PM	#1
<Pion> All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,428	AH Stagnant For the most part, it looks like early on the AH is stagnant. Of course it's hard to see if a player goes up and then disappears via a BIN, but for the ones hanging around the AH for a while and getting bids, there doesn't seem to be a flurry of activity. For the most part, I would say it is because sellers are hoping to cash in by setting the prices higher. But this time around, the buyers may be a little bit more savvy and holding off for it to get a bit more reasonable. That's not to say that someone might make a killing on a rare or get a good return on a desired card. But for now it appears like most buyers are staying away. I was hoping to get an exciting card and managed to pull a Diamond Sliding Billy Hamilton. First thought was to try to see what I could get for him, but what a fun card that would be to have in the lineup! Also got the gold Ozzie Smith with the defense that will take him into the highest leagues. There's a chance he could go for a premium price since people were getting 12 to 15K out of him PT19 and he never seemed to drop much in price. Last edited by <Pion>; 03-22-2019 at 12:30 PM.

03-22-2019, 02:26 PM	#7
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03-26-2019, 10:01 AM	#8
<Pion> All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,428	224 pages of players available so volume of players up for bid is high. But prices remain high (not unexpected as the same thing happened in PT19) and probably will remain high until things settle into their place. For now, however, the amount of bidding going on at the Diamond and Perfect levels still remains stagnant. Just a guess, but I still think players know the values that were set in PT19 and are waiting for prices to come down to those levels. But has there been as much activity among the whales to get the premium players? It doesn't seem so. Most bidding at the higher levels so far has been on the modestly priced common diamonds (DeGrom, etc) with a couple of rare players getting bids. Fun to watch it all play out. Should be interesting to see who breaks first, the sellers lowering their prices or buyers getting impatient. Haven't been watching the bronze/silver players much, so can't really speak on the activity level there. I also still think tournaments will have an effect (adverse) on the AH as there is more hoarding going on in anticipation of tournaments, and it "might" cause the prices of some players to remain higher than what we're used to seeing in PT19. I wonder if the F2P people looking forward to tournaments will find they have to use more PP to compete than they expected in tourneys. Last edited by <Pion>; 03-26-2019 at 10:05 AM.

04-05-2019, 08:51 AM	#11
Chico Guilbault All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Harlingen, NJ Posts: 1,063	Those of you who have PT experience...do we typically see more activity in the AH later in the week versus beginning? Are there any predictable fluctuations form buyer's market to seller's market or vice versa over time? Any trends at all of note? __________________ BeechumCounty.com

04-05-2019, 11:33 AM	#14
Chico Guilbault All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Harlingen, NJ Posts: 1,063	Yeah, I'm looking to sell a couple diamonds but not sure when might be the best time...or if there is even a time one could point to as better. __________________ BeechumCounty.com

03-22-2019, 12:34 PM	#2
atabakin All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 762	I think it's WAY too early to draw any conclusions. The first Steam customers are just now downloading the game, and many folks don't have access yet while at work. Those active in these first few hours make up a tiny subset of our population.

03-22-2019, 12:38 PM	#3
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	yea definitely wait until at least tomorrow evening before trying to draw any conclusions

03-22-2019, 01:00 PM	#6
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	makes sense to me. you can always relist for a lower price if it doesn't sell, but there's no second chance at a higher one if you start too low

04-05-2019, 09:22 AM	#12
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	I'm no expert but it seems to me that prices for non-live cards are going up. Current auctions are almost always higher than the average prices shown for the cards I'm looking at. Just an anecdote so take it for what it is.

04-05-2019, 11:25 AM	#13
justpatrick Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 305	I feel that while there are some good deals to be had due to the wildly fluctuating prices of some cards, nonetheless a lot of the silver cards are overpriced, some extremely so (I´m talking to you, Jim Bouton!). Gold seems to be the place to get some good deals I think. Higher I wouldn´t know.

04-08-2019, 01:50 PM	#19
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	Yankee hate runs almost as strong as Yankee love.

04-14-2019, 06:23 AM	#20
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,892	Some people are just funny. Somebody seems to have tried to corner the market on Marv Throneberries and Joel Youngbloods and possibly other low-key Unsung Hero cards, and is now selling them for 1k or more per card. Not in my lifetime will I pay that for a 49-rated card. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.