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I just don't see that as the right approach. Sure there are major issues and I'm not minimizing them. But that there are large hurdles in the way is not a valid reason to perpetually do nothing about historical minors, especially when it's other people than Markus who would end up doing the heavy lifting here. He just has to do a bit to make it worth their while to do that lifting. Am I completely off base on that? Last edited by Lukas Berger; 01-27-2014 at 02:10 AM. |
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I'm saying it's better to come up with a solid plan and all its facets and then implement things (in stages if need be) according to that plan. That way all the pieces are part of a larger, coherent whole, and fit together with little problem. Be mindful of the law of unintended consequences—all these deep minors get added but then the AI has no idea how to manage them. I have a hard time seeing how that will ultimately improve many users' experience. (There are arguably already issues with how OOTP handles multiple affiliates in the same minor league classification level, and multiple affiliates at the same level is much more common in the past.) ETA: If we all want to sit down and thrash out a list of all the things that need to be considered, how these items will work together, and ways to accomplish the goal, then formulate a bullet pointed memo laying it out, that alone would be a good step forward as it provide a good outline of a plan. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 01-27-2014 at 02:24 AM. |
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Will I be able to import my OOTP14 Leagues over to OOTP15 w/o a problem,considering the Leagues all have over 200 teams (3 Universe's,6 Leagues overall)?
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I was creating and saving a template for 1901 where I create the following AAA International (was Eastern League back then) and American Association They will have a Little World Series and All Star Game All teams are affiliated with a MLB team, and I chose some that were a mainstay for teams, i.e. Montreal Royals are the Superbas, KC Blues are the Orioles/Yankees Pacific Coast League non affiliated, has financials, yet is AAA level...I am hoping they don't trade with MLB on a constant basis like they did when I made them a 'major' league last time and because they are non affiliated they have a 15 man reserve roster and 25 man active roster...hoping that will not grab all the FA's Should I make it affiliated with NO affiliates instead? My PCL has the main 8 teams that came into existence during 1919 Salt Lake will change to the Hollywood Stars then the SD Padres Vernon changes to Mission Reds then Hollywood Stars but all other teams are the same My playoff is division winner vs wildcard and they have an all star game AA Southern Association and Texas League Will have a 5 game playoff, no all star game Again teams are setup with affiliates and those who are long standing with a MLB team are there Chattanooga Lookouts = Senators A Eastern League (with Albany,Elmira,Wilkes-Barre) and Western League (Denver,Pueblo,Colorado Springs) All MLB teams are setup with a AAA,AA,A and the PCL is there to grab players as well. I use Spritz's professional debut DB, with PCL/Japanes/Negro league players so I have 19th century players still hanging around and guys like Scoops Carey,Ed Abbacittio and Mordecai Brown are FA's that I put on their respective teams ML affiliates with lower ratings. The PCL guys are being put on their respective PCL teams I was also going to fill the rosters of A teams, 99% will never make the majors, and one could block fictionals from making the major leagues, but I like seeing a PCL guy or fictional player once in awhile break the barrier of MLB. Plus, Rube Foster is always my 'Jackie Robinson' around 1904 and always with John McGraw so historical accuracy is 50/50 with me The PCL and AAA teams already get a schedule assigned to them, so there is that. I will have to check for accuracy though as the PCL only had 6 teams. If inaccurate, I make a fictional 120 game schedule at first, then a 140 so that they end before MLB. And the American Assc. and International league were not in existence during 1901 It's a half assed workaround, and I think you need to have the same DB as I, but it's fudged enough where one only has to make small changes to teams (Providence Grays to Syracuse Stars for IL, the aforementioned PCL teams,Eastern League Springfield to Utica to Schenectady but other than that, you can roll with these until 1960 If someone can babystep to me how I can get this up to OOTP Mods (and if it works for 14 and 15, since I am using 13) I'll upload it. Or, I can wait until 15, make my mistakes on this one and upload it then
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I wish there was a way to get half a loaf on this. That is, I wish there was a way for your to provide some basic functionalties and then for others to mod files and/or create leagues that would produce a handful of archetypical historical-fictional minor leagues environments. |
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Minor League Baseball Data.Com It doesn't have all the info that would be needed for an OOTP database but it would probably be a great start for anyone wanting to do that. It goes back about 10 years or so. |
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year team/franchise id team city & name league name/indicator league level/classification ("AA" for example) affiliate indicator division indicator ("E", "W"...) ballpark name some sort of indicator to control franchise & player movement (for when teams change affiliations, move, cease to exist, etc.) Most of the above is mostly known. What other data elements might we need? |
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In Minor League Baseball Standings, it says the following for the changes made for the 1989 New York-Penn League season: Little Falls moved to Pittsfield; Niagara Falls and Welland formed. But in Baseball America's 1989 Directory, it says this: Little Falls moved to Pittsfield; Watertown moved to Welland; Niagara Falls and Watertown formed. There are instances where it is not clear whether a club moved to a new city and an expansion team was placed in the vacated city, or if the team in the new city is the expansion team. Just looking at the standings from one season to the next will not answer the question. What about the league level? E.g. league statistics, playoff formats, All-Star Games, average attendance, schedule lengths, etc. |
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01-28-2014, 08:37 AM | #37 |
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How your going to do Minor League Standings if we can't Edit the ones in Game yet?
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So we can build a league history? Is this what i'm seeing finally?
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No it's not
No more than before at least. You can build a league history now. It's just that you have to make an OOTP compatible Lahman db and import it, which is no small step. Last edited by Lukas Berger; 01-28-2014 at 04:10 PM. |
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