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Yes...if they can make the plays they should play | 24 | 51.06% | |
No..besides the fact that they arent good enough, it just be a distraction | 7 | 14.89% | |
Women should wear diamonds; not play on them | 4 | 8.51% | |
I think they could play but shouldnt in the men's game | 12 | 25.53% | |
other | 6 | 12.77% | |
A female monkey rodeo that plays hardball | 7 | 14.89% | |
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07-19-2009, 03:12 AM | #1 | |||||
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Are Women Being Unfairly Shut Out of Baseball?
Professor and Social Critic Jennifer Ring thinks so.
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She makes an interesting case. It wasnt until the 90's that the powers that be thought Asian men could play in the field at the MLB level. Maybe many more of us, including myself, need to reexamine our assumptions.
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07-19-2009, 05:27 AM | #2 |
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Knowing the caliber of women athletes our there today, I know there has to be some out there who could at least play very effectively up until the upper minors. The problem is that women, who by design don't have the physical strength of man, don't as a whole possess the tremendous talent as the African Americans in the early days as baseball did, which made their exclusion from the "major" leagues a farce. And while it is easy nowadays to say that racism was wrong, there are some aspects of sexism and discrimination based upon it that naturally occur in a sports environment because men would be forced to accommodate females in locker rooms/facilities and other things.
At some point, the gender barrier could truly be broken and women would be accepted freely into the sport. And maybe after that happens, people will look back upon the days of women being excluded as archaic and silly. But I don't know if I see a modern day Jackie Robinson happening anytime soon. |
07-19-2009, 05:43 AM | #3 |
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Create their own baseball league. Women dont possess the strength, speed, or stamina to compete with men at this time IMO. In the future that may change but Id have a hard time believing to many women could turn around a 95 mph fastball and hit it out of the park.
As for being a player like Eckstein, I guess its possible however not too many players with his skill set make the majors in the 1st place. Last edited by jbergey22; 07-19-2009 at 05:44 AM. |
07-19-2009, 06:26 AM | #4 |
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obviously a woman would say that women are being treated unfairly. damn feminists...
a different female reporter (idr her name) said, about a week ago, that baseball is horrible and boring and can't hold a candle to NCAA basketball. WHAT?!?!?!?! if you ask me, women are unfairly not being shut out from being sport reporters... |
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Isn't there already to softball which resolves this issue? If the best softball players in the world have trouble hitting a 60 mph underhand pitch coming at them from no mound than how exactly would they do against a 90 mph fastball? Seriously, softball is baseball tailored for women so I don't see the point of a women's baseball league.
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When I was younger, I was always annoyed that I had to play softball. Couldn't pitch overhand, lead off a base, etc. But it makes sense. I sucked playing softball; I would have been even worse at baseball. |
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Anyway, I think if a woman is good enough she should be allowed to play. All it would take is a GM/manager who was willing to risk looking like an idiot and a woman who could handle potentially being seen as a sideshow. |
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I've always thought that if a woman would make the bigs it would be at a pos. that requires fewer long throws and is more reflexive like 2nd. I have seen many cat-like infielders playing college softball - It'll happen one day.
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Why exactly couldn't a woman throw a 95 mph fastball?
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You probably all know this stuff, but I didn't notice it mentioned, so:
Lizzie Stroud pitched a scoreless inning in the Eastern League in 1898. Although I gather it was kind of an Eddie Gaedel thing, she didn't get shellacked. A 17-year-old girl called Jackie Mitchell was under contract to play for the Chattanooga Lookouts in 1931. In an exhibition game, she struck out Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth. A few days later, Ayatollah Landis declared baseball too "strenuous" for women and voided her contract. Reputedly, she didn't have a fastball, BTW.
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I just don't get how things like this become an issue. Racial exclusion is stupid. Skin color doesn't keep one guy from playing as well as another. Gender, however, brings up many differences in physical capability.
Form a new women's baseball league. Show us a big power hitter or a great pitcher whose skill set mirrors that of major league players. Then complain. Until then it's a complete waste of space. ------------ Plus.. my rotoworld would be loaded with "Julie Schnider to miss three days (rag)." I just can't have that. I could see Omar Minaya trading for a hot latin chick to boost team morale. Could pick up a woman off the street (not meaning a hooker, but perhaps!) that would be better than Tatis or Oliver Perez. |
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"The distance for a fastpitch pitcher delivery point will be 40ft due to the fact that the release point is at the hip. Most pitchers hips are at about 6ft in front of the rubber on release, the distance for a baseball pitcher will be at 53ft since the release point is ahead of the front foot. You could argue this with me a bit but I will try to be on the side of caution. A world class female pitcher who throws a 68mph pitch released at 38 ft would allow the hitter .381 of a second to react, which equates to a 95 MPH pitch in baseball." A Comparison of baseball and fastpitch softball pitching So women could hit a MLB fastball. What they would lack is power. That said, how are they being "shut out" of men's baseball? If I'm a coach somewhere and I see a girl with great abilities who wants to play on my team, why would I deny her a chance? Have there been a slew of discrimination cases somewhere?
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This study seems to prove that its body size and musculature are the sole factors that determine throwing speed. Gender is neutral when the testees are physically equivalent. It would seem to indicate that there is a fit 6 foot woman out there who could throw 95. Maybe someone like the above mentioned Martina or a Venus Williams? Quote:
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BTW, the article fails to take into account how fast the ball decelerates as it approaches the plate. Most times, the speed of the pitch is measured at the time the ball is released by the pitcher. By the time it crosses the plate, it has slowed down and softballs will slow down faster than a baseball.
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