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09-12-2019, 10:08 AM | #21 |
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Unless one of the self-appointed morality police decides to post a screenshot of your roster, as has happened from time to time...
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I really REALLY wish the Devs would insert some kind of code that limited the degree to which someone could tank - AND provide a "reset" button to start over if you wanted to. ALL this continuous moaning about tanking would finally go away and the Devs wouldn't have to look at every little complaint.
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Well...
I said position players pitching, not pitchers playing positions. Sidebar: I wish we had no DH in PT, so that pitcher hitting could be a factor. It'd be great to have a Slugging Pitchers collection...
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"You gotta dance with the one that brung ya," (or better.) If you don't, you are tanking.
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These last 5 comments are exactly what I mean... if the game restricted itself by code on what was allowed, there would be no reason for these comments.
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Further, if the game allows itself to be played in certain ways, then it should be expected that the game WILL be played in those certain ways.
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09-13-2019, 12:50 PM | #30 |
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call it the "Morality Police", you're de facto admitting that the conduct is immoral—hence wrong. Thanks fo settling this debate so succinctly.
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I continue to be surprised, though I guess I shouldn't, at the number of broken moral compasses these days. I was amazed to read that many of the people posting in another game forum said that rules were only to be followed by those who choose to follow them. For the most part (on the other forum), those who do follow rules are the ones getting the ridicule.
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"Morality police" - or should I say, self-styled morality police - is a pejorative term used to characterize inflexible people who enjoy projecting their belief systems on everyone else. They tend to believe that they are always correct and those that disagree, however slightly, must be wrong. And usually punished. "Naming and shaming" is a favorite tactic of the morality police. If they ever manage to rise to a level of real political power, generally within the confines of an autocracy or theocracy, then that shaming often graduates into pursuits such as stoning and other forms of public executions. Trust me, you don't want to be a part of the morality police. Best case scenario, Vince McMahon lampoons you as part of a late 90s mid-card wrestling stable.
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I don't know why you're taking this so personally, Red. I don't think tanking is immoral, it's just expressly forbidden by the TOS and therefore I am against it. Why is that position hard to understand?
Let's say you're playing dodgeball. We all know the rules. Let's say you get clipped by a ball. Nobody notices. Are you allowed to stay in the game? Sure, but that's not part of the agreed-uppn ruleset. But, if you were allowed to stay in if nobody noticed, I'd completely agree with this decision. Now let's say you're caught as being hit by the ball, and other people playing the game witness this happening. If you have a tantrum and refuse to leave because nobody is explicitly forcing you to sit down, is that immoral? I don't think so, it's just childish. Why sign up to play dodgeball if you weren't going to follow the rules? Now let's complete the analogy. Let's say you're playing competitive dodgeball, one with a video review system and a judge. Let's say you get clipped by a ball, but don't think it hit you. Others did, so they ask the judge to review the footage. Are you going to call your competitors the "morality police" for just asking the judge if you got hit? What about football; are coaches the "morality police" for challenging plays made by their opponents? Are teams "morality police" for asking for investigations into e.g. contract violations, PED use, spying on playcalling, etc.? Are they all the morality police too? At least in some of the examples I gave above, there might be some personal financial incentive to try to cheat. But why sign up to play a game, one with no stakes whatsoever, if you aren't going to follow the rules?
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Also, I don't think team screenshots are posted *that* regularly. I can think of one recent-ish example, maybe two if I wrack my brain. It's mostly just words being exchanged like it is here. EDIT: Also, if it wasn't clear, I do completely agree with your point.
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To me games have rules, society has laws.
If I see someone breaking into my neighbors car in clear violation of the rules/law am I the morality police for calling the cops? Red, I have no idea why you used that term.
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I understand completely why Red used the term Morality Police, and it is absolutely appropriate for some of the conduct on this forum.
The issue here is that the TOS does not sufficiently and completely delineate fair and appropriate play. There is not a universal definition for cheating in this game, which is precisely the reason the admins have to deal with it on a case by case basis. This creates a lot more work as a manual investigation must be conducted, even in obvious cases where automation could streamline the corrective process or prevent the issue entirely. This also frustrates players, both those publicly accused of cheating when they don't believe they are and those who see cheating even when it may not be.
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Somehow, I think we keep missing the point. No one (or very few of us) are saying we shouldn't follow rules or try to take advantage of them.
But any rule that can diluted by saying "oh, in that case it's ok" isn't a rule - it's a guideline - "to be defined at a later date by the Devs". A game can't survive that way - or at least can't survive without constantly being questioned. As it stands now, the Devs have said under certain conditions you can take your best players off the field if you're creating a themed team, or if your going to train them at a new position, or if your going to inactivate them - but yet by definition you are also not trying as hard to win. Whether a situation is right or wrong it becomes subjective... what's wrong today in this case may not be wrong in 2 months when something similar happens again. And in the meantime, some people here are forever posting that "that" should be allowed while others are posting "that's" against the rules" If we want the game to be as enjoyable as possible, all this has to be clear and concise, and coding is the only way to do that. If the game allows it, it's ok. I know the Devs don't want to hear that, but right now it's open season on the rules to define what they really mean. If winning at all costs is the only way to play this game "legally" then it won't be flexible enough to do anything but play your best 25 players. If you want the largest customer base to enjoy the game for an entire 12 months, then you have to add the coding that removes options you don't want to see happen. My 2 cents. The game has to stop you from doing what is not acceptable. Period. |
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