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08-11-2019, 01:19 PM | #1 |
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Rule V returns retaining contract
This is our online league's first season on OOTP 20. We are seeing something we have not seen before. We are in season, almost at the all star break. The past couple of sims there have been three rule V returns. The player was released and correctly returned to the original team on their DFA. However these players still have the league minimum contract. That leaves the GM with the choice of putting the player on their 40 man or releasing them and paying off the rest of the contract.
It has not worked like that in the past. Previously the player would be returned with a minor league contract and could be put directly into the minor leagues from DFA. Any feedback on this? New functionality? Bug? |
08-11-2019, 04:41 PM | #2 |
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Noticed this in our online league as well.
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08-11-2019, 05:08 PM | #3 |
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Returned rule 5 players will all have options left by definition, so the MLB minimum contract, which they will keep, should have no effect on optioning to the minor leagues. Are you saying these player are out of options? Do you have different OLL roster rules which may be causing this?
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08-11-2019, 05:51 PM | #4 | |
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08-11-2019, 09:41 PM | #6 |
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So then - lets say I have 14ish spots open on my 40 man roster - I could then, in theory - target my biggest rival, Rule V draft every guy possible from him and then, after they get a major league minimum contract - return them to him and he has to either put them on his 40 man now since they have a ML contract and now pay them, or waive/DFA them? wow that could be devious... am I right?
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08-12-2019, 04:28 PM | #7 | |
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08-12-2019, 06:58 PM | #9 |
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Did these players have ML Contracts when they were taken in the rule 5 draft?
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08-12-2019, 08:34 PM | #10 |
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08-12-2019, 10:30 PM | #11 |
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They should have already cleared waivers beforehand and then should be able to be sent directly to the minors. Did the returning team run the player through waivers before returning?
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08-12-2019, 11:32 PM | #12 |
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Nope - guy was in AAA playing just fine - but Rule V eligible - gets drafted - about 3 weeks into the season - the other team cuts him - and I get him back now with a league minimum contract and can't demote him back to AAA because he has to be on the 40 - so to get him to AAA, I have to waive and DFA - and pay him for the rest of the season...which is the part that REALLY sucks...I can't afford a bunch of these returns with league minimum contracts... I run pretty close to the vest... I don't recall this happening in v19.
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08-13-2019, 11:57 AM | #13 |
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Have you reported this "officially"? http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=299988
Just to make sure this gets to Tech Support and tracked properly.
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08-13-2019, 12:01 PM | #14 | |
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08-13-2019, 08:45 PM | #15 |
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Part of your problem stems from the returning team not running the player through waivers. They have to do it because before he's returned to you, the rest of the league gets the opportunity to claim him on waivers and pick up all the rule v stips. Seems you're bypassing a huge part of the rules and then blaming the game for not understanding what you did
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08-13-2019, 09:26 PM | #17 |
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Here is one explanation of how the Rule 5 Draft works:
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...-rule-5-draft/ I'm not sure how much OOTP follows all the details of this process, but yes, as qcbandits indicated, if a team which picked a player in the Rule 5 draft wishes to remove them from their active roster they must place them on waivers and then any other team can assume the responsibilities as outlined by the Rule 5 process for that player. If unclaimed, he can be offered back to his original team prior to the Rule 5 draft, who would then compensate the team who drafted that player half of the amount that the drafting team had originally been required to pay to the player's original team. (The original team can reject him and just keep all the money and then he is free and clear a member of the drafting team with no Rule 5 strings attached.) Again, I can't speak to the details of how this is handled in OOTP, but from what I can see qcbandits is not wrong about how this works in the MLB. (Per the OOTP manual, the fee that teams must pay for drafting a player in the Rule 5 draft is not modeled in OOTP.) EDIT: Per OOTP manual: "In OOTP, Rule 5 draft picks are never offered back to their original franchise. You simply have to obey the roster rules defined below." And the roster rules listed below are as follows: " Rule 5 Draft Roster Rules There are a number of roster rules relating to Rule 5 drafts: A team that wants to select a player in the Rule 5 draft must have at least one spot open on its secondary roster. A player selected in the Rule 5 draft must remain on the selecting team's active roster or disabled list for the entire season. A player who was drafted in the Rule 5 draft can be waived. If he is claimed, then the player must remain on the claiming team's active roster for the remainder of the season. A player selected in the Rule 5 draft can be traded. The team that receives the player must keep the player on its active roster for the remainder of the season. A player selected in the Rule 5 draft must spend 90 days on the active roster. This rule prevents teams from picking players and then dumping them on the disabled list for an entire season to avoid using an active roster spot. This rule can extend into the following season if necessary." So according to the manual, it appears that the way the Rule 5 process is set up in OOTP does not allow for the move you described above "The player was released and correctly returned to the original team on their DFA." This is neither exactly the correct process in MLB or OOTP. So makes sense that it didn't work correctly for you. Last edited by BirdWatcher; 08-13-2019 at 09:34 PM. Reason: additional information from OOTP 20 manual. |
08-13-2019, 09:41 PM | #18 |
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I did google MBL RV rules, and true, in MLB you have to pass them through waivers.
I just ran tests in solo leagues in OOTP 19 and in XX. In both versions I started brand new standard leagues, simmed to RV, picked up a guy, simmed until 1 day into the regular season and then released him. In 19 his contract reverted to a minor league contract. In XX he retained his major league contract. I do not know if that is an intentional functional change or a bug. But it is new. In OOTP. When a RV draftee is released he immediately shows up on the original teams DFA. It has worked that way in every version at least since I started on 12 and it I just confirmed it is working that way now. Now that I have it recreated I'll see if I can get league files uploaded with the bug and we'll see what the devs say. |
08-13-2019, 09:51 PM | #19 | |
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I looked back at previous manuals, including the one for OOTP 12, and it had the same wording as the most recent manual. |
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08-13-2019, 09:55 PM | #20 |
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Indeed. That is what I was saying. Not sure if it is new functionality or a bug. But it changed.
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