Suspended list

[bwburke94]

I admit this isn't exactly a feature wanted by most of the community, but the A-Rod suspension is kind of forcing Markus and co. to at least address this. In OOTP14 and earlier, suspended players count toward the roster limit, which would unfairly disadvantage the Yankees in the ML quickstart if this were still the case in OOTP15.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

In OOTP14 and earlier, suspended players count toward the roster limit...

That is actually what happens. The misconception some folks have is that players 'suspended' for PED violations go on the Suspended List. They don't. They are actually placed on the Restricted List, which is why they don't count against the 40-man roster (though the players do still acquire service time).

What OOTP really needs is a catch-all "Inactive List" upon which players go when they are not able to play for any reason other than injury. The specific reason the player is on this inactive list then controls whether or not they count against the active or 40-man roster, whether they acquire service time, how many days they have to remain inactive before being able to be reinstated, etc.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

suspended players count toward the roster limit, which would unfairly disadvantage the Yankees in the ML quickstart if this were still the case in OOTP15.

why would that be an unfairly disadvantage? i hope we will have it as an option.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by le receveur

why would that be an unfairly disadvantage? i hope we will have it as an option.

It's not an option in real life.

Players suspended for on-the-field infractions and the like go on the Suspended List and still count against the active and 40-man roster. Players "suspended" for PED violations actually go on the Restricted List, and do not count against either the active list or 40-man roster. It's two different things, though the same word "suspended" is often used for both.


Below is a handy table of the various real-world roster lists and how players are treated on each.

MAJOR LEAGUE

                   Active  Reserve  Pay  Service  Notes

Active                yes    yes    yes    yes

Disabled (7-Day)      no     yes    yes    yes
Disabled (15-Day)     no     yes    yes    yes
Disabled (60-Day)     no     no     yes    yes

Bereavement           no     yes    yes    yes    3-7 days
Paternity             no     yes    yes    yes    1-3 days

Suspended             yes    yes    no*    yes    up to 30 days
Military              no     no     no     yes
Voluntarily Retired   no     no     no     no     minimum 60 days during regular season(s);
                                                  cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through Oct. 31

Restricted            no     no     no*    no     cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through Oct. 31
Restricted (PED)      no     no     no     yes    50 games (1st offence);
                                                  100 games (2nd offence);
                                                  minimum two years (3rd offence)

Disqualified          no     no     no     no     cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through Oct. 31
Ineligible            no     no     no     no     minimum one year; cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through Oct. 31

*club option


Suspended:        insubordination or other misconduct; violation of regulations in contract
Restricted:       failure to report to club
Restricted (PED): suspended due to a PED violation
Disqualified:     violation of contract or club's reservation rights
Ineligible:       violation of anti-gambling provisions; convicted of a serious crime

The minor league lists are largely the same, but there are a few differences.

MINOR LEAGUE

                        Active  Reserve  Pay  Service  Notes

Active                     yes    yes    yes    yes

Rehab Assignment (ML)      no     no     —      —      of club to which player is assigned
Rehab Assignment (minors)  no     no     —      —      of club to which player is assigned

Disabled (7-Day)           no     yes    yes    yes
Disabled (60-Day)          no     no     yes    yes

Temporarily Inactive       no     yes    no*    no     minimum 3 days
Paternity                  no     yes    no     no     1-3 days

Suspended                  no     yes    no*    no     up to 30 days
Military                   no     no     no     no
Voluntarily Retired        no     no     no     no     minimum 60 days during regular season(s);
                                                       cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through
                                                       end of minor league regular season and playoffs

Restricted                 no     no     no*    no     cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through
                                                       end of minor league regular season and playoffs
Restricted (PED)           no     no     no     no     50 games (1st offence);
                                                       100 games (2nd offence);
                                                       minimum two years (3rd offence)

Disqualified               no     no     no     no     cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1 through
                                                       end of minor league regular season and playoffs
Ineligible                 no     no     no     no     minimum one year; cannot be reinstated from Aug. 1
                                                       through end of minor league regular season and playoffs

*club option

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

It's not an option in real life.

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sorry probably wasn't clear, i was asking about OOTP not real life.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

It's not an option in real life.

Players suspended for on-the-field infractions and the like go on the Suspended List and still count against the active and 40-man roster. Players "suspended" for PED violations actually go on the Restricted List, and do not count against either the active list or 40-man roster. It's two different things, though the same word "suspended" is often used for both.

I've said before, but ideally OOTP would model all of those lists. I appreciate that it's not practical though, so LGO's suggestion is fine.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by le receveur

sorry probably wasn't clear, i was asking about OOTP not real life.

In OOTP, a PED suspension would not remove a guy from the active roster. So the Yankees would have a player on their active roster all season who cannot be used, in essence wasting a roster spot for the entire season.

In real life, as LGO said, a player suspended for a PED violation goes on the restricted list and does not count against the active or 40-man roster. The OP wants OOTP to work this way.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

In OOTP, a PED suspension would not remove a guy from the active roster. So the Yankees would have a player on their active roster all season who cannot be used, in essence wasting a roster spot for the entire season.

In real life, as LGO said, a player suspended for a PED violation goes on the restricted list and does not count against the active or 40-man roster. The OP wants OOTP to work this way.

I understand. I just want the option to have a team penalised for their hiring practice... especially if the plan is to mimic RL and just remove the salary from budget, so the team actually has little accountability for closing there eyes.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by le receveur

I understand. I just want the option to have a team penalised for their hiring practice... especially if the plan is to mimic RL and just remove the salary from budget, so the team actually has little accountability for closing there eyes.

You never said anything about salary when you asked why OOTP puts teams at an unfair advantage. Also, I would think losing a player for 50 or more days is a pretty harsh penalty. (Although OOTP default PED suspension lengths are much shorter than the current MLB rules.)