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03-03-2013, 04:01 PM | #2 |
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At this stage, the EIHL and EPL players have their Technical Ability ratings, Potentials and Templates entered (amongst other things). A fair proportion of the NIHL-1 has been provisionally rated, but I'll be re-rating this league as the rosters have changed substantially since I carried out the provisional ratings and there's a lot of new players without ratings. Hopefully once this is done we will see the NIHL-1 playable in game.
At the moment, the British teams and players don't seem to be performing all that realistically. My guess is that it is because the players are lacking any real ratings at this stage (E.g. Telford quite frequently finish towards the top and Guildford frequently finish towards the bottom). I know the EIHL and EPL aren't the only leagues to suffer from this in game. What Needs Testing at the Moment? My primary concern is the cross-over in ratings between the EIHL and EPL. Also, are the EIHL ratings correct in relation to leagues of similar levels? Things that could be tested: * How do good and poor EPL players perform in the EIHL when signed by EIHL teams? * How do good and poor EIHL players perform in the EPL when signed by EPL teams? * How do the weak/poor AHL players perform in the EIHL when signed by EIHL teams? * How do mid-level and weaker ECHL players perform in the EIHL when signed by the EIHL? * How do players from the Danish and Norwegian leagues perform in the EIHL when signed by the EIHL? Most Important Features Missing from the Leagues? In my view, there are two really key things missing which greatly affect the league's realism (ignoring complex features which couldn't feasibly make it into version 1 - such as cup tournaments): 1) The 2 week notice system used by all levels of league. At present, the UK leagues are using the standard transfer system. In reality, teams can release players by giving 2 weeks' notice (equally, a player can leave with 2 weeks' notice) without having to pay any contractual compensation. Teams only sign players as free agents (the transfer system isn't used). 2) The import rule. At present, we have the no foreigner rule. This isn't too far off, but I'd like to see an additional setting for this rule which counts players without a primary UK nationality as foreigners (even if they have a UK second nationality). This is probably a decent compromise considering that we'd never realistically see an IIHF card system in game. Scoring Levels Hopefully the correct league scoring levels will be added to the game in time for the first beta. But in case they're not, I've listed below the correct scoring levels. To set these you must enable the Commissioner Mode when starting your game. Then select the EIHL from the League Menu and click on League Settings. From the League Settings Screen, you will need to enter the figures listed below. After you have done this, click on Save Changes (bottom right corner). Then click on drop-down menu towards the top of the screen to select the EPL, enter the correct settings and then click on Save Changes. You'll need to do this before you start simming any games. EIHL ES Goals/Game: 4.48 PP Goals/Game: 1.70 SH Goals/Game: 0.25 EPIHL ES Goals/Game: 4.76 PP Goals/Game: 1.80 SH Goals/Game: 0.27 * Note that the EPIHL PP and SH scoring levels are just my estimates (I think I should be able to compile 100% accurate levels for these later), but it gives you the correct overall scoring level settings for the league. Enjoy!
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03-05-2013, 01:26 PM | #3 |
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I've given the EIHL a little go today and the things which strike me (apart from those that you have outlined) are as follows:
All EIHL players have the same wage of 1k. It is possible to sign any EIHL player from another team simply by offering a contract. The majority of free players that I signed accepted 1k (I couldn't increase or decrease this amount) this includes ex NHLers. Free agents list takes a while to populate and often crashes the game. Free agents show no attribute ratings (prefer an option to mask these attributes if scouting is to be used to also be used to reveal them) Players on EIHL rosters are generally on 1 or max 2 year contracts in real life. Currently a lot of players are showing as being on 4 year deals. 10 year contracts can be offered and are happily accepted. No 'out of game' history for EIHL players. No indication of what penalties are given for during the match day or on the match report. Hopefully the game will be much improved over the coming months but at the moment the EIHL doesn't really work as a playable league option. |
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At present, contract details have not been set in the UK leagues (non-NHL contracts are all 100% random in length, salary and conditions). This is because the Editor doesn't allow me to enter just the contract length - a salary has to be entered for each year. I suggested a while back to the devs that the contract length setting should be independent of the salary details. Hopefully this is something that can be implemented sooner rather than later so that I can get the contract lengths input. As for the salaries, these are auto-generated by the game. Previously the salaries were way too high (around about NHL level) and so I dropped the league finance settings a bit. I'm not sure why it has dropped that low. Once we're allowed to update the league finances settings again, I'll take a look. Quote:
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EDIT: Thanks Alessandro! Seems we both responded at the same time.
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As for the perks on salaries in the UK like Uni course, cars, rent paid ect.. are you aiming to include these into the game or just pointing out so people know how difficult getting it right is? |
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03-05-2013, 02:30 PM | #7 |
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I'm just pointing out that it's a case of setting things to a level that appears reasonable as compared to the rest of the FHM leagues. We'll never get it to reflect real life.
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03-05-2013, 02:56 PM | #8 |
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That would be cool, but I'd imagine it's waaay too much work lol.
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03-05-2013, 05:08 PM | #9 | |
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As a regular player of EHM a few years ago, one of the biggest enjoyments was building a side each off-season as in real life. I would be happy to help with the research. I have been watching UK hockey for around 13 years now so I would feel confident enough to help out in anyway I can. Feel free to contact me directly craig_s96@hotmail.com I will report the bugs in the appropriate places thanks archibalduk In response to the final point about salaries. As Garethw87 pointed out EHM did a decent enough job of this, I think the 'top' players at that time were on about 40k per year and downwards as seen appropriate but it's been a long time since I played. To be honest I don't think it would be too difficult to find someone who knows the innter workings within the EIHL to get some kind of estimate level between a top earner and a low level Brit for example and make estimates inbetween. As for adding 'extras' into a contract, I don't feel it a priority but is something that could be looked into such as bonus for being selected in the all star team or top scorer etc, this could also include a bonus of a car/education etc. |
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It could be abstracted, in the sense of just making some players slightly more likely to sign if you add those clauses, and adding a certain amount of money to your non-salary expenses if you add them.
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03-05-2013, 05:28 PM | #11 |
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Malte mentioned a short while ago that the contract lengths can now be entered independent of the salaries in the Editor. So I'll get the EIHL contracts entered this weekend (and EPL if I have time). Seeing as it is hoped that the DB will be released weekly, hopefully we'll have proper contract lengths in game next week.
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03-05-2013, 06:18 PM | #12 |
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I don't know if it's the right place for that, but Michael Will, of the Braehead Clan in the EIHL, is set as 15'10'' and 86 lbs :S
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03-05-2013, 07:50 PM | #13 |
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Archi, regarding Elite league salaries. Cardiff Devils GM recently said in an interview that the team needs an extra 200 or so fans each game to support a £6,000 per week wage budget
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03-05-2013, 11:45 PM | #14 |
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All the player heights and weights are entered for metric but in imperial like the previous poster mentioned. i.e. 15'3", 86 lbs instead of 153 cm, 86 kg.
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It was "common knowledge" that when Stevie Lyle was at Basingstoke (when they were still in the EIHL in 2007) that he was earning about £850 - £900 per week. So that's about £46,800 per annum. Apparently the top British players (i.e. those on the top two lines at the richer clubs) earn about £1,000+ per week. So that's £50,000+ per annum. The imports in fact earn less (but they get the various other benefits we've mentioned before). Additional things we need to take into account are: * The various extras that players get (e.g. rent and tuition fees). Tuition fees for UK students are now about £9,000 per year depending on the university - it's normally even higher for foreigners (I remember in 2002 foreign students at my uni were paying nearly £20,000 per annum compared to about the £3,000 I was paying). Depending on the size of the player's family (and whether they come to live in the UK from North America, etc), rent could be a fair bit - particularly seeing as most teams are in a city centre (certainly the richer teams are). So this probably brings the imports up to the same sort of salary as the top British players if you were to put a monetary value on these sorts of benefits (at the richer clubs at least). * The richer clubs (e.g. Nottingham, Sheffield, etc) have a reputation for having salary bills above the salary cap. The cap is never enforced by the EIHL as far as I'm aware. * There is a huge divergence in the salaries offered by different teams because there is a huge divergence in wealth. So this is why I'm thinking we should initially be set the maximum salary at about £60,000 per annum and we see how that looks in game. How does that match up with the French maximum salary? DISCLAIMER: All of the above is based on hearsay from others (either having read online or having spoken to people). The league and teams keep all of this stuff private and so it's difficult to know what's right and what's wrong.
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I'd agree that £60,000 per annum would be a fair number. The EIHL manages to get some very good imports over these days, and they won't be coming for free. Eliteprospects.com - Ladislav Benysek < him for example. And yes the EIHL wage cap is never enforced The other things to think or are the coperate sponsors that pay the players wages. Maybe not so in the EIHL but it seems to be common in the EPL and below. I seen it quoted on the Telford Tigers website about a player that recently left. Tony Hand at Manchester was earning £1,000 per week last season... again according to 'people who knew' but him being the top player in the league and the Head Coach £500 per week for each role is about right in the EPL for a big name guy. |
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Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Much appreciated.
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The same goes with the NIHL - we need something that enables teams to fill their two import slots.
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I've always wondered how do NIHL teams manage to sign import players! I'd imagine alot might be students again just looking for anywhere to play while they study? But as you say making it work on FHM might be interesting
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I'm going to take a closer look and adjust things this weekend (including some parts of the EIHL).
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The NIHL looks like it might end up being a fun league once it's finished! |
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