All But Over

bluebeetle · 03-29-2017, 04:34 PM

Hello,

This project is dead. Right? For understandable reasons, this project has been delayed several times. There is a saying in the restaurant world. "If you make 10 mistakes tonight, 9 of them will be on the same table."

This seems to be one of those cursed projects. Let's take stock of what we know:

1. The initial Lead has a serious health issue.
2. After a delay, a new Lead is found.
3. The new lead makes the assessment that serious course changes are required.
4. The new Lead has a familial situation that causes him to step back.
5. There has been no communication since January. (?)

Nobody is at fault here, just bad luck.

Seems to me like this project is dead, even if the OOTP guys don't want to admit it yet. It's a small company and the organizational energy just isn't behind it anymore.

The silence is deafening.

My advice: Just tell your fans it's dead until further notice. That is the respectful thing to do for us. At this point, we are in a vicious cycle of expectation and anticipation will kill the actual joy of the actual product.
I would simply have a post telling us what suspect is the truth: We don't have the people and energy to give to this project. Then you lock down the forums so the rumor and resentment mill doesn't build.

Whenever you get the ability to tackle this project again, just come out with new name and logo and everyone will cheer. Open up the old forums and everyone will rejoice.

If you don't do anything and let this just hang; eventually the anticipation will turn to resentment. People will think you don't respect your customers. (Even if it's not true.)

My advice: Please level with your fanbase. We can handle it. Just stop leaving us in the dark.

Am I crazy here? Does anyone else feel this way?

shane.m.haff@gmail.com · 03-30-2017, 03:18 PM

Agree 100%

Rosco Peabody · 03-31-2017, 04:15 PM

Agreed. I will support a football game made by OOTP Developments whenever it comes about. I just want transparency.

james17 · 04-01-2017, 02:38 AM

Agree. Plus I'm getting the feeling nobody at OOTP even looks at this board any more. Are we being totally ignored?

redfox000 · 04-03-2017, 08:37 AM

Isn't this almost exactly, other than the major medical issue with the initial lead developer, the exact way it went with Wolverine Studios at first? They announced the game...went through several developers...and then eventually just pulled it till they bought out someone else's game?

Mickeyb37 · 04-03-2017, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by redfox000

Isn't this almost exactly, other than the major medical issue with the initial lead developer, the exact way it went with Wolverine Studios at first? They announced the game...went through several developers...and then eventually just pulled it till they bought out someone else's game?

Pretty much the same scenario. Wolverine bought the other game added a few screens and tried to pass it off as a new game. They are now developing a College game based on it.

Adam B · 04-13-2017, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james17

Agree. Plus I'm getting the feeling nobody at OOTP even looks at this board any more. Are we being totally ignored?

No, you're not being ignored. The simple fact is we just don't have anything to announce at this time. The game is being worked on, as Markus said in his AMA on Reddit, (and I'm paraphrasing) It'll be out when it's ready.

For that matter, when we feel we have something substantial to announce, we will as well. But people are watching and listening.

baseballonly · 04-13-2017, 12:14 PM

These things take a LOT of time...especially if you want it to be up to par with OOTP.

james17 · 04-13-2017, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam B

No, you're not being ignored. The simple fact is we just don't have anything to announce at this time. The game is being worked on, as Markus said in his AMA on Reddit, (and I'm paraphrasing) It'll be out when it's ready.

For that matter, when we feel we have something substantial to announce, we will as well. But people are watching and listening.

Probably a dumb question but...

I'm an old guy and don't know much about Reddit or AMA's. Is there a link you can post that would take us to what Markus had to say?

BradG223 · 04-13-2017, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam B

No, you're not being ignored. The simple fact is we just don't have anything to announce at this time. The game is being worked on, as Markus said in his AMA on Reddit, (and I'm paraphrasing) It'll be out when it's ready.

For that matter, when we feel we have something substantial to announce, we will as well. But people are watching and listening.

I trust you guys, but it is disconcerting that the the leading developer hasn't posted on the forums in almost half a year, November 20th.

I would like to see an update from Michael Winter, even if all he has to say is that there is not much to report on. Once again, I do trust you guys and am incredibly grateful.

Adam B · 04-13-2017, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james17

Probably a dumb question but...

I'm an old guy and don't know much about Reddit or AMA's. Is there a link you can post that would take us to what Markus had to say?

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/co...f_out/dcw64sr/

Painmantle · 04-14-2017, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradG223

I trust you guys, but it is disconcerting that the the leading developer hasn't posted on the forums in almost half a year, November 20th.

I would like to see an update from Michael Winter, even if all he has to say is that there is not much to report on. Once again, I do trust you guys and am incredibly grateful.

So you get an update from an OOTP guy who says there is nothing to report and that just isn't good enough for you? Do you really need the lead developer to come in here and say the exact same thing?

Here is a quote from Marcus today in the OOTP18 patch release

Quote:

We'll continue to work on the game in the next weeks and release more updates, and we'll also continue development on our super secret OOTP-related project, which will launch in late summer / fall. Stay tuned!

Let the speculation begin!

PoopyJoe69 · 04-14-2017, 06:07 PM

Without saying anything concrete, I don't think it's anything BTS related.

james17 · 04-15-2017, 05:30 PM

I don't think BTS is a 'super secret' project seeing as how it was announced as under development 2 years ago and the fact that they set up this forum.

Must be something else?

rmoons24 · 04-15-2017, 10:15 PM

It was supposed to be released 2 years ago

Francis Cole · 04-16-2017, 07:40 AM

>> It was supposed to be released 2 years ago

19 March 2015 in stroke.

Rosco Peabody · 04-16-2017, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Cole

>> It was supposed to be released 2 years ago

19 March 2015 in stroke.

How is your recovery going, Francis? Any improvement?

andyhdz · 04-17-2017, 06:05 PM

I agree. Football sims do seem to have bad luck around them while hockey, baseball, and even basketball have no problems.

Francis Cole · 04-18-2017, 07:21 AM

>>How is your recovery going, Francis? Any improvement?

Speech Difficulties

Sam_15 · 04-18-2017, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Cole

>>How is your recovery going, Francis? Any improvement?

Speech Difficulties

No rush. Your recovery is infinitely more important than the game. Best wishes!

03-29-2017, 04:34 PM	#1
bluebeetle Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 1	All But Over Hello, This project is dead. Right? For understandable reasons, this project has been delayed several times. There is a saying in the restaurant world. "If you make 10 mistakes tonight, 9 of them will be on the same table." This seems to be one of those cursed projects. Let's take stock of what we know: 1. The initial Lead has a serious health issue. 2. After a delay, a new Lead is found. 3. The new lead makes the assessment that serious course changes are required. 4. The new Lead has a familial situation that causes him to step back. 5. There has been no communication since January. (?) Nobody is at fault here, just bad luck. Seems to me like this project is dead, even if the OOTP guys don't want to admit it yet. It's a small company and the organizational energy just isn't behind it anymore. The silence is deafening. My advice: Just tell your fans it's dead until further notice. That is the respectful thing to do for us. At this point, we are in a vicious cycle of expectation and anticipation will kill the actual joy of the actual product. I would simply have a post telling us what suspect is the truth: We don't have the people and energy to give to this project. Then you lock down the forums so the rumor and resentment mill doesn't build. Whenever you get the ability to tackle this project again, just come out with new name and logo and everyone will cheer. Open up the old forums and everyone will rejoice. If you don't do anything and let this just hang; eventually the anticipation will turn to resentment. People will think you don't respect your customers. (Even if it's not true.) My advice: Please level with your fanbase. We can handle it. Just stop leaving us in the dark. Am I crazy here? Does anyone else feel this way?

04-13-2017, 12:14 PM	#8
baseballonly All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 806	These things take a LOT of time...especially if you want it to be up to par with OOTP. __________________ Former OOTP Leagues: CBL-Admirals (2016-17 Champs) MMB-Phillies

04-15-2017, 10:15 PM	#15
rmoons24 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 64	It was supposed to be released 2 years ago __________________ My friends used to call me Big Red, but I told 'em "Stop it!" 'cause there's only one Big Red in town, America's number 1 cinnamon gum.

03-30-2017, 03:18 PM	#2
shane.m.haff@gmail.com Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 2	Agree 100%

03-31-2017, 04:15 PM	#3
Rosco Peabody All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South of Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 1,090	Agreed. I will support a football game made by OOTP Developments whenever it comes about. I just want transparency.

04-01-2017, 02:38 AM	#4
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,306	Agree. Plus I'm getting the feeling nobody at OOTP even looks at this board any more. Are we being totally ignored?

04-03-2017, 08:37 AM	#5
redfox000 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 74 Blog Entries: 1	Isn't this almost exactly, other than the major medical issue with the initial lead developer, the exact way it went with Wolverine Studios at first? They announced the game...went through several developers...and then eventually just pulled it till they bought out someone else's game?

04-14-2017, 06:07 PM	#13
PoopyJoe69 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 287	Without saying anything concrete, I don't think it's anything BTS related.

04-15-2017, 05:30 PM	#14
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,306	I don't think BTS is a 'super secret' project seeing as how it was announced as under development 2 years ago and the fact that they set up this forum. Must be something else?

04-16-2017, 07:40 AM	#16
Francis Cole Lead Developer for BTS Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 854	>> It was supposed to be released 2 years ago 19 March 2015 in stroke.

04-17-2017, 06:05 PM	#18
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	I agree. Football sims do seem to have bad luck around them while hockey, baseball, and even basketball have no problems.

04-18-2017, 07:21 AM	#19
Francis Cole Lead Developer for BTS Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 854	>>How is your recovery going, Francis? Any improvement? Speech Difficulties