Option for a zero player reserve list

Scruff · 05-16-2013, 02:26 PM

Why is the minimum reserve roster set to 15 spots? I would love to see options from 0-14 added.

I want to set up a league where teams aren't gobbling up free agents and sticking them on the reserve roster. I want a simple 15-25 man roster (depending on the era), with no reserve list and no minor league affiliations. If a player gets hurt the team plays with a smaller roster until he comes back.

I've turned off the 40-man, but the reserve roster still keeps getting filled. I can't see how to turn it off.

Maybe there is a way to do this that I am missing?

Gil Thorp · 05-16-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scruff

Why is the minimum reserve roster set to 15 spots? I would love to see options from 0-14 added.

I'd really like to have that option too.

Le Grande Orange · 05-16-2013, 04:34 PM

What about using the secondary (40-man) roster option but instead set it to a value one above your active roster size, e.g. 26 (if you're using a 25-man active roster limit). That ought to get you really close to what you want. (Not sure if the game will let you set your secondary roster size equal to your active roster size.)

Cryomaniac · 05-16-2013, 06:39 PM

I dunno about setting it to 0, but I would definitely like to be able to set it to less than 15. Maybe 5 as a minimum.

Scruff · 05-16-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I dunno about setting it to 0, but I would definitely like to be able to set it to less than 15. Maybe 5 as a minimum.

What's the difference? Give us flexibility. You want 5, I want 0. We can all win

Scruff · 05-16-2013, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

What about using the secondary (40-man) roster option but instead set it to a value one above your active roster size, e.g. 26 (if you're using a 25-man active roster limit). That ought to get you really close to what you want. (Not sure if the game will let you set your secondary roster size equal to your active roster size.)

This could definitely work as a work around . . . I'll look into it. Weird, the one test league I have going won't let me edit to put a secondary roster in, since I chose none at creation. I haven't even done the inaugural draft yet.

Cryomaniac · 05-17-2013, 07:12 AM

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What's the difference? Give us flexibility. You want 5, I want 0. We can all win

You have a point. I do wonder though how well (or not) the AI would work without any reserve players at all.

blasek0 · 05-17-2013, 07:26 AM

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You have a point. I do wonder though how well (or not) the AI would work without any reserve players at all.

Based on the AI's contract/roster managing skills (or lack of), I'd lean towards not handling it well. With no reserve roster and 100% guaranteed contracts, health becomes much, much more important. Second to that is team construction and depth, and the AI has a tendency to stuff the roster with bench hitters.

RchW · 05-17-2013, 08:41 AM

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... the AI has a tendency to stuff the roster with bench hitters.

Dang, no wonder I don't see anyone who can hit a baseball.

blasek0 · 05-17-2013, 09:12 AM

I mean, pinch hitters are great and all, but there's no need to have 18 hitters on a team, if you're playing with 30 man rosters or something, which is what the AI tends to do. With no reserve roster, pitching depth would be a lot more important just because you have 0 flexibility with injuries, and I'm not sure that OOTP's AI is able to comprehend that at the moment.

Le Grande Orange · 05-17-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by blasek0

Based on the AI's contract/roster managing skills (or lack of), I'd lean towards not handling it well. With no reserve roster and 100% guaranteed contracts, health becomes much, much more important. Second to that is team construction and depth, and the AI has a tendency to stuff the roster with bench hitters.

I'd say it may well be the same sort of thing with reduced roster sizes (e.g. 21 or even lower) where health and the ability of a player to play multiple positions well would be important. Also, even if contracts are only partially guaranteed (e.g. there is some form of termination pay) such considerations would still matter when putting together a roster.

Cryomaniac · 05-17-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blasek0

I mean, pinch hitters are great and all, but there's no need to have 18 hitters on a team, if you're playing with 30 man rosters or something, which is what the AI tends to do. With no reserve roster, pitching depth would be a lot more important just because you have 0 flexibility with injuries, and I'm not sure that OOTP's AI is able to comprehend that at the moment.

I agree, with a 30 man roster and no reserves, you would need to have probably 2 or 3 (at least) MRs who could start.

blasek0 · 05-17-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I'd say it may well be the same sort of thing with reduced roster sizes (e.g. 21 or even lower) where health and the ability of a player to play multiple positions well would be important. Also, even if contracts are only partially guaranteed (e.g. there is some form of termination pay) such considerations would still matter when putting together a roster.

I still think the option to turn off guaranteed contracts would be fantastic for OOTP. I think that's the single feature I want to see the most. A league where contracts aren't guaranteed changes everything, and I'd really like to try playing that.

Le Grande Orange · 05-17-2013, 04:24 PM

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I still think the option to turn off guaranteed contracts would be fantastic for OOTP. I think that's the single feature I want to see the most. A league where contracts aren't guaranteed changes everything, and I'd really like to try playing that.

I think you can get close to that by using a very low value in the "Remaining Salary owed if Player is cut" setting under the Financial and Free Agency Settings area of the Financials tab in league setup. You may have to enable the Reserve Clause Era rules first in order to see the setting.

(For what it's worth, in real life it used to be that a major league player who was released from his contract was only entitled to 10 days' pay as termination. That's about 6% of the salary amount for the season.)

blasek0 · 05-18-2013, 01:24 AM

Yeah, that's only available under reserve clause era rules. It's a great workaround if you want to play reserve-clause era rules, but if you don't, then your only option is 100% guaranteed contracts or using commissioner mode to forcibly push players into FA (and that option's hard to extend to AI teams). I'd be fine with using commish mode to force players into FA, but the AI can't do that, and I can't exactly ask them if they would cut a player if there were no consequences to cutting him.

Cryomaniac · 05-18-2013, 07:45 AM

I agree that turning off guaranteed contracts should be allowed for non-reserve clause leagues.

Le Grande Orange · 05-18-2013, 11:44 AM

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I agree that turning off guaranteed contracts should be allowed for non-reserve clause leagues.

The termination pay provision should be available all the time, yes, and not limited to just the reserve clause era.

blasek0 · 05-21-2013, 11:22 AM

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The termination pay provision should be available all the time, yes, and not limited to just the reserve clause era.

With the option to set termination pay at anywhere from 0 to 100%.

Cryomaniac · 05-21-2013, 06:01 PM

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With the option to set termination pay at anywhere from 0 to 100%.

That would make a lot of sense.

Le Grande Orange · 05-22-2013, 01:49 AM

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With the option to set termination pay at anywhere from 0 to 100%.

That was how I originally envisioned/suggested it.

05-16-2013, 02:26 PM	#1
Scruff Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 243	Option for a zero player reserve list Why is the minimum reserve roster set to 15 spots? I would love to see options from 0-14 added. I want to set up a league where teams aren't gobbling up free agents and sticking them on the reserve roster. I want a simple 15-25 man roster (depending on the era), with no reserve list and no minor league affiliations. If a player gets hurt the team plays with a smaller roster until he comes back. I've turned off the 40-man, but the reserve roster still keeps getting filled. I can't see how to turn it off. Maybe there is a way to do this that I am missing?

05-16-2013, 06:39 PM	#4
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I dunno about setting it to 0, but I would definitely like to be able to set it to less than 15. Maybe 5 as a minimum. __________________

05-18-2013, 07:45 AM	#16
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I agree that turning off guaranteed contracts should be allowed for non-reserve clause leagues. __________________ Last edited by Cryomaniac; 05-18-2013 at 07:47 AM.

05-16-2013, 04:34 PM	#3
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,412	What about using the secondary (40-man) roster option but instead set it to a value one above your active roster size, e.g. 26 (if you're using a 25-man active roster limit). That ought to get you really close to what you want. (Not sure if the game will let you set your secondary roster size equal to your active roster size.)

05-17-2013, 09:12 AM	#10
blasek0 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 345	I mean, pinch hitters are great and all, but there's no need to have 18 hitters on a team, if you're playing with 30 man rosters or something, which is what the AI tends to do. With no reserve roster, pitching depth would be a lot more important just because you have 0 flexibility with injuries, and I'm not sure that OOTP's AI is able to comprehend that at the moment.

05-18-2013, 01:24 AM	#15
blasek0 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 345	Yeah, that's only available under reserve clause era rules. It's a great workaround if you want to play reserve-clause era rules, but if you don't, then your only option is 100% guaranteed contracts or using commissioner mode to forcibly push players into FA (and that option's hard to extend to AI teams). I'd be fine with using commish mode to force players into FA, but the AI can't do that, and I can't exactly ask them if they would cut a player if there were no consequences to cutting him.