Rule 5 players

tward13 · 03-20-2019, 03:52 PM

How do you offer a Rule 5 player back to his original team?

If I release him it wants to charge me his salary, which isn't correct.

tward13 · 03-21-2019, 09:26 AM

Anyone? Shouldn't there be a way to offer back a Rule 5 player?

CField17 · 03-21-2019, 10:04 AM

I think if you release him he goes back to his original team

WIUPIKE · 03-21-2019, 10:20 AM

You need to release the player and that will send him back to the original team

AESP_pres · 03-21-2019, 10:21 AM

Maybe but if you have to pay his salary first that doesn't make sense...

BTW this is something I have always been curious about too...

tward13 · 03-21-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CField17

I think if you release him he goes back to his original team

But it says I'll have to pay him his $550k if I release him. It shouldn't cost more than the original claim (50K?)

There should be an option to return Rule 5 player.

Also, the other team should have the option to decline, thus allowing you to keep the player in the minors.

CField17 · 03-21-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tward13

But it says I'll have to pay him his $550k if I release him. It shouldn't cost more than the original claim (50K?)

There should be an option to return Rule 5 player.

Also, the other team should have the option to decline, thus allowing you to keep the player in the minors.

Are you sure this isn’t how it works in rl MLB? I haven’t looked it up

AESP_pres · 03-21-2019, 11:55 AM

From the MLB website:

" What happens when a player is selected in the Rule 5 Draft?

A team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player."

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/rule_5.jsp?mc=faq

BMW · 03-21-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

From the MLB website:

" What happens when a player is selected in the Rule 5 Draft?

A team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player."

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/rule_5.jsp?mc=faq

Waiving the player, means that every team in the league can pick up that player. From what I recall in the past, if another team was awarded the player from a claim they were obligated to the Rule 5 stipulations (must be on 25 man, etc.).

In short, Rule 5 is several times more complex than what OOTP does. But there is no shortage of roster management rules that OOTP only approximates to a certain degree. Mainly because of the complexity and the fact that the number of times the rule takes applies to a significant player in the real world are often a few times a decade.

For example (and these rules can change every CBA, so not certain if they are out of date - but they are real examples), under certain situations players could get an additional year of pro experience before being eligible for Rule 5 drafts (and I'm not talking about the age when the player was drafted which determines if they have 4 or 5 years). In the real world, players cannot be added and removed from the 40 man roster indefinitely. The second time they are removed the player can invoke a right to declare themselves a free agent.

There's just so many of these rules that maybe 1 in every 100,000 fans realize exists. I know Le Grande Orange has an even better knowledge of them than I do. He and I have hunted down copies of the "Blue Book" which holds all the almost-clerical, paperwork-jockey level minutia that dictates how the major and minor league transactions work. They go even deeper into the detail than the CBA (and cover periods of the games in the 40s, 50s, 60s etc. where the CBAs weren't posted publicly like they are today).

MizzouRah · 03-21-2019, 01:00 PM

Going from memory I thought you just had to waive them?

wallewalls · 03-21-2019, 01:07 PM

OOTP doesnt replicate the Rule V exactly like in real life. AFAIK, it doesnt cost you anything to draft rule v'ers in this game, all you need is the open 40 man spot and when you do give them back it only should cost you about 500,000, not very much.

strzepeksc · 03-21-2019, 01:20 PM

Many OOTP players have requested a fix to the rule V draft for the past few versions to no avail. Both in the draft pool of eligible players itself and when wanting to release/return one drafted that season. (This is in on-line league play)

tward13 · 03-21-2019, 01:56 PM

The players are flagged with a ! in the roster, so they know who they are. Why not simply add an option to return player?

I shouldn't have to spend 500k or more to release them

WIUPIKE · 03-21-2019, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

The players are flagged with a ! in the roster, so they know who they are. Why not simply add an option to return player?

I shouldn't have to spend 500k or more to release them

I think the window says that I do not believe you get hit with the 500k when you do it on a Rule 5 player

Fredrocker · 03-21-2019, 04:24 PM

I presume the base salary in your league is 500 K if it is not then that means you must have offered the player a contract

Because I don't think there's any way you can draft a player who's on a 40 man roster with a major league contract in a rule 5 draft

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BMW · 03-21-2019, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by strzepeksc

Many OOTP players have requested a fix to the rule V draft for the past few versions to no avail. Both in the draft pool of eligible players itself and when wanting to release/return one drafted that season. (This is in on-line league play)

I'm fairly sure that in online leagues, there are issues with the process, depending on the order that the files are imported (because the game needs to process each team's transactions in full prior to moving on to the next import file).

So depending on whether the "releasing" team gets imported before/after the "receiving" team - one of those directions I think just doesn't work properly and a glitch causes the player to get released to the free agent pool.

wallewalls · 03-21-2019, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WIUPIKE

I think the window says that I do not believe you get hit with the 500k when you do it on a Rule 5 player

i believe this to also be the case, i just assumed that since he mentioned paying the salary that he actually noticed his available funds decreased. the 500k has never mattered to me when i release a rule v player, so i never bothered to check my budget afterwards

tward13 · 03-21-2019, 07:29 PM

Why does the window say that if it's not the case?

Can I get confirmation that it's just a meaningless message?

wallewalls · 03-22-2019, 07:16 AM

it's just standard for what comes up when you press "release player", the game just doesnt create a specific dialogue for a specific situation in rule v picks. this isnt a confirmation, but i believe this is the case. maybe a dev can answer this once and for all?

Matt Arnold · 03-22-2019, 08:36 AM

As it stands now, it does return the player to the former team, but you do have to pay the full price to release them.

Now, in real life, the team getting him back is allowed to refuse, but we don't currently have that capability. So... part of me doesn't feel it's fair to have the team he's returned to automatically be saddled with his contract, but not sure if it's fair either for the team that drafted him to always have to pay. Hmm, what should we do?

03-20-2019, 03:52 PM	#1
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,957	Rule 5 players How do you offer a Rule 5 player back to his original team? If I release him it wants to charge me his salary, which isn't correct.

03-21-2019, 10:21 AM	#5
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	Maybe but if you have to pay his salary first that doesn't make sense... BTW this is something I have always been curious about too... __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

03-21-2019, 11:55 AM	#8
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	From the MLB website: " What happens when a player is selected in the Rule 5 Draft? A team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player." http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/rule_5.jsp?mc=faq __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

03-21-2019, 01:20 PM	#12
strzepeksc All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 628	Never Fixed Many OOTP players have requested a fix to the rule V draft for the past few versions to no avail. Both in the draft pool of eligible players itself and when wanting to release/return one drafted that season. (This is in on-line league play)

03-21-2019, 09:26 AM	#2
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,957	Anyone? Shouldn't there be a way to offer back a Rule 5 player?

03-21-2019, 10:04 AM	#3
CField17 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 135	I think if you release him he goes back to his original team

03-21-2019, 10:20 AM	#4
WIUPIKE All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nashville Area Posts: 1,257	You need to release the player and that will send him back to the original team

03-21-2019, 01:00 PM	#10
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,251	Going from memory I thought you just had to waive them?

03-21-2019, 01:07 PM	#11
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	OOTP doesnt replicate the Rule V exactly like in real life. AFAIK, it doesnt cost you anything to draft rule v'ers in this game, all you need is the open 40 man spot and when you do give them back it only should cost you about 500,000, not very much.

03-21-2019, 01:56 PM	#13
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,957	The players are flagged with a ! in the roster, so they know who they are. Why not simply add an option to return player? I shouldn't have to spend 500k or more to release them

03-21-2019, 04:24 PM	#15
Fredrocker Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Winchester, KY Posts: 449	I presume the base salary in your league is 500 K if it is not then that means you must have offered the player a contract Because I don't think there's any way you can draft a player who's on a 40 man roster with a major league contract in a rule 5 draft Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

03-21-2019, 07:29 PM	#18
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,957	Why does the window say that if it's not the case? Can I get confirmation that it's just a meaningless message?

03-22-2019, 07:16 AM	#19
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	it's just standard for what comes up when you press "release player", the game just doesnt create a specific dialogue for a specific situation in rule v picks. this isnt a confirmation, but i believe this is the case. maybe a dev can answer this once and for all?

03-22-2019, 08:36 AM	#20
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,136	As it stands now, it does return the player to the former team, but you do have to pay the full price to release them. Now, in real life, the team getting him back is allowed to refuse, but we don't currently have that capability. So... part of me doesn't feel it's fair to have the team he's returned to automatically be saddled with his contract, but not sure if it's fair either for the team that drafted him to always have to pay. Hmm, what should we do?