Feeling outclassed

halfbutt · 03-23-2020, 12:44 PM

Hi all, I'm brand new to Perfect Team so I have a couple questions.

Forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong place.

First off, is there a way to see how I finished in the Entry Pool? Overnight that season ended and I have been placed into an iron league. I thought it would be useful to evaluate stats etc.

Second, I realize we are placed in divisions according to win percentage, but I have a team of two golds and a bunch of silver and bronze cards, and somehow am competing with some teams that have mostly diamond and gold cards. Is this normal?

I'm fine with the challenge, but it seems kind of odd.

Thanks!

Warhawk · 03-23-2020, 12:49 PM

It'll shake out eventually, there's not enough whales to fill the entire iron level, they'll get promoted first.

Bottom Of The Sixth · 03-23-2020, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by halfbutt

Hi all, I'm brand new to Perfect Team so I have a couple questions.

Forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong place.

First off, is there a way to see how I finished in the Entry Pool? Overnight that season ended and I have been placed into an iron league. I thought it would be useful to evaluate stats etc.

Second, I realize we are placed in divisions according to win percentage, but I have a team of two golds and a bunch of silver and bronze cards, and somehow am competing with some teams that have mostly diamond and gold cards. Is this normal?

I'm fine with the challenge, but it seems kind of odd.

Thanks!

Welcome to Perfect Team!

Unfortunately it sounds like you will be fighting that situation until next Monday when all of the PT promotions and regulations will take place.

Hopefully for your sake, the power-house teams will move on and you will be assigned into a league that doesn't have such powerful teams.

Many of those power-house teams that your team is currently playing against are controlled by guys who are buying extra Perfect Points and that is why their teams are so strong, this early into the start of PT.

skep · 03-23-2020, 01:04 PM

No way that I know of to view results of your entry league. I think you can view results of past years once you're out of the entry league, but I've never looked into it.

As for being outclassed, I know the feeling and you should get used to it for a little while. The whales will filter up and you'll start seeing teams on your level.

As for how to advance your team, check out the tournaments!

Kris Jardine · 03-23-2020, 01:13 PM

Actually, we have a bunch of tutorial videos going live on our YouTube page in a few hours to help new players get acquainted with the mode. It will be stickied on the forums around 5:10pm ET

Kris Jardine · 03-23-2020, 01:13 PM

And no, Entry Pool results are wiped once you are promoted

BathshebasTub · 03-23-2020, 07:07 PM

I am as well a noob to this! But am really enjoying it!

Kushiel · 03-23-2020, 07:57 PM

Good luck to the new players. I hope you find as much fun as most of us have.

Grizzlegom · 03-23-2020, 09:34 PM

I'm new to this game and am just trying to figure it out but this thread called to me. My pitchers' ERA is basically in worst to best where the worst pitchers on my roster have the best ERAs and the best pitchers have the worst. How Kluber and Luzardo go out and pitch 2-3 innings and give up 6-8 runs EVERY SINGLE TIME will never cease to boggle the crap out of my mind. I get it when its a whale with an entire lineup of 90+ but when a team of 50s and 60s goes out and shells pitchers in the upper 70s and 80s consistently, its REALLY offputting.

Bottom Of The Sixth · 03-23-2020, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

I'm new to this game and am just trying to figure it out but this thread called to me. My pitchers' ERA is basically in worst to best where the worst pitchers on my roster have the best ERAs and the best pitchers have the worst. How Kluber and Luzardo go out and pitch 2-3 innings and give up 6-8 runs EVERY SINGLE TIME will never cease to boggle the crap out of my mind. I get it when its a whale with an entire lineup of 90+ but when a team of 50s and 60s goes out and shells pitchers in the upper 70s and 80s consistently, its REALLY offputting.

What you are seeing is not uncommon.

Some players will play very well for one team and may play sub-par for another team. Sometimes this changes from year to year and sometimes a "star" player can never get it together.

It is something you will have to get use to and having back-up players may help you get through those tough times.

halfbutt · 03-23-2020, 10:16 PM

[QUOTE=skep;4606574]No way that I know of to view results of your entry league. I think you can view results of past years once you're out of the entry league, but I've never looked into it.

As for being outclassed, I know the feeling and you should get used to it for a little while. The whales will filter up and you'll start seeing teams on your level.

Yeah, I've gotta say, it kinda takes a lot of the fun out of it to just get beaten down by these credit card teams.

Thanks for the tournament suggestion.

Orion · 03-23-2020, 10:26 PM

Thar she Blows!!!

Grizzlegom · 03-23-2020, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottom Of The Sixth

What you are seeing is not uncommon.

Some players will play very well for one team and may play sub-par for another team. Sometimes this changes from year to year and sometimes a "star" player can never get it together.

It is something you will have to get use to and having back-up players may help you get through those tough times.

The problem I see with this is that losing consistently means fewer PP. Fewer PP means you can't get more cards (certainly not comparably 'good' ones). Sounds 100% like pay to win is the only way to win then.

For a game that's dubbed as deeply rooted in strategy, having the seemingly sheer random luck factor of "that guy you just spent all that PP on actually sucks for no real reason" feels REAL bad.

Tried a tourney, Kluber went .2 innings and gave up 6 runs against a team with the highest rated hitter as a 65. Cool.

Dogberry99 · 03-23-2020, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

The problem I see with this is that losing consistently means fewer PP. Fewer PP means you can't get more cards (certainly not comparably 'good' ones).

The inverse of this is also true. Weaker teams earn less achievements, but stronger teams also earn more. This is why a large competitive imbalance - whether it is due to money, luck, tanking, or any other artificial non-baseball factor - is ultimately detrimental to the game.

EJ · 03-23-2020, 11:31 PM

Just to show you how much of a noob I am to this, it took a few posts to figure out what a "whale" is.

halfbutt · 03-24-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

The problem I see with this is that losing consistently means fewer PP. Fewer PP means you can't get more cards (certainly not comparably 'good' ones). Sounds 100% like pay to win is the only way to win then.

For a game that's dubbed as deeply rooted in strategy, having the seemingly sheer random luck factor of "that guy you just spent all that PP on actually sucks for no real reason" feels REAL bad.

Tried a tourney, Kluber went .2 innings and gave up 6 runs against a team with the highest rated hitter as a 65. Cool.

This exactly.

I'm all good with getting shelled 18-0 by the guy that has literally every top star in today's MLB in his lineup until his team "filters up" next week, but what is to stop the same thing from happening in the subsequent season when the next unimaginative manager opens his wallet?

For now, I'll just enjoy the one in five games my David team beats Goliath.

Kris Jardine · 03-24-2020, 11:42 AM

The key is, don't get discouraged in the first few weeks. As the top teams get promoted to the higher levels, you'll find yourself playing against more and more "similar" competition. It just takes a few weeks for the promotion system to space teams out

Rain King · 03-24-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

The inverse of this is also true. Weaker teams earn less achievements, but stronger teams also earn more. This is why a large competitive imbalance - whether it is due to money, luck, tanking, or any other artificial non-baseball factor - is ultimately detrimental to the game.

There aren't THAT many whales. You can definitely work your way to one of the top levels without spending money, it just takes some patience.

Swill · 03-24-2020, 03:04 PM

Curious as to how much your team strategy contributes to this. I have been doing some Iron and Bronze tournaments and trying to figure out what sets teams apart.

Lemandria · 03-24-2020, 04:07 PM

Don't be in such a hurry. The best thing about playing .500 ball, or even being demoted, is that it gives you time to do a couple of things:

Bench depth--the guys cracking 200 packs have it, odds are you do not. Bench depth is important as hell for both tournaments AND collections.
Position training for players that need it. Flexibility later on.
A crack at that title for every season you don't blow right past it. The 'whales' will mostly be moving on up at maximum possible speed, that's what they pay to do.
A chance to work on your 'theme', ballpark, strategies--sell off players that don't fit your purposes, and acquire players that do.

Believe me, you don't want to arrive at diamond unprepared.

We'll be here for fifty-ish weeks, in the 21 version. Don't don't don't stand on the gas pedal with that brick wall in front of you.

03-23-2020, 12:44 PM	#1
halfbutt Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 108	Feeling outclassed Hi all, I'm brand new to Perfect Team so I have a couple questions. Forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong place. First off, is there a way to see how I finished in the Entry Pool? Overnight that season ended and I have been placed into an iron league. I thought it would be useful to evaluate stats etc. Second, I realize we are placed in divisions according to win percentage, but I have a team of two golds and a bunch of silver and bronze cards, and somehow am competing with some teams that have mostly diamond and gold cards. Is this normal? I'm fine with the challenge, but it seems kind of odd. Thanks!

03-23-2020, 01:04 PM	#4
skep Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 174	No way that I know of to view results of your entry league. I think you can view results of past years once you're out of the entry league, but I've never looked into it. As for being outclassed, I know the feeling and you should get used to it for a little while. The whales will filter up and you'll start seeing teams on your level. As for how to advance your team, check out the tournaments! __________________ FTP Warrior

03-23-2020, 01:13 PM	#5
Kris Jardine OOTP Developments Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Miramichi, NB, Canada Posts: 1,021	Actually, we have a bunch of tutorial videos going live on our YouTube page in a few hours to help new players get acquainted with the mode. It will be stickied on the forums around 5:10pm ET __________________ Out of the Park Baseball 22 is available NOW! Webstore - https://ootpdevelopments.onfastspring.com/games/ Steam - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1...k_Baseball_22/

03-23-2020, 01:13 PM	#6
Kris Jardine OOTP Developments Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Miramichi, NB, Canada Posts: 1,021	And no, Entry Pool results are wiped once you are promoted __________________ Out of the Park Baseball 22 is available NOW! Webstore - https://ootpdevelopments.onfastspring.com/games/ Steam - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1...k_Baseball_22/

03-23-2020, 07:57 PM	#8
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,697	Good luck to the new players. I hope you find as much fun as most of us have. __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

03-23-2020, 12:49 PM	#2
Warhawk Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 437	It'll shake out eventually, there's not enough whales to fill the entire iron level, they'll get promoted first.

03-23-2020, 07:07 PM	#7
BathshebasTub Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Chicago Posts: 12	I am as well a noob to this! But am really enjoying it!

03-23-2020, 09:34 PM	#9
Grizzlegom Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 26	I'm new to this game and am just trying to figure it out but this thread called to me. My pitchers' ERA is basically in worst to best where the worst pitchers on my roster have the best ERAs and the best pitchers have the worst. How Kluber and Luzardo go out and pitch 2-3 innings and give up 6-8 runs EVERY SINGLE TIME will never cease to boggle the crap out of my mind. I get it when its a whale with an entire lineup of 90+ but when a team of 50s and 60s goes out and shells pitchers in the upper 70s and 80s consistently, its REALLY offputting.

03-23-2020, 10:16 PM	#11
halfbutt Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 108	[QUOTE=skep;4606574]No way that I know of to view results of your entry league. I think you can view results of past years once you're out of the entry league, but I've never looked into it. As for being outclassed, I know the feeling and you should get used to it for a little while. The whales will filter up and you'll start seeing teams on your level. Yeah, I've gotta say, it kinda takes a lot of the fun out of it to just get beaten down by these credit card teams. Thanks for the tournament suggestion.

03-23-2020, 10:26 PM	#12
Orion Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 300	Thar she Blows!!! __________________

03-23-2020, 11:31 PM	#15
EJ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 145	Just to show you how much of a noob I am to this, it took a few posts to figure out what a "whale" is.

03-24-2020, 11:42 AM	#17
Kris Jardine OOTP Developments Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Miramichi, NB, Canada Posts: 1,021	The key is, don't get discouraged in the first few weeks. As the top teams get promoted to the higher levels, you'll find yourself playing against more and more "similar" competition. It just takes a few weeks for the promotion system to space teams out __________________ Out of the Park Baseball 22 is available NOW! Webstore - https://ootpdevelopments.onfastspring.com/games/ Steam - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1...k_Baseball_22/

03-24-2020, 03:04 PM	#19
Swill Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 2	Curious as to how much your team strategy contributes to this. I have been doing some Iron and Bronze tournaments and trying to figure out what sets teams apart.

03-24-2020, 04:07 PM	#20
Lemandria All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 702	Don't be in such a hurry. The best thing about playing .500 ball, or even being demoted, is that it gives you time to do a couple of things: Bench depth--the guys cracking 200 packs have it, odds are you do not. Bench depth is important as hell for both tournaments AND collections. Position training for players that need it. Flexibility later on. A crack at that title for every season you don't blow right past it. The 'whales' will mostly be moving on up at maximum possible speed, that's what they pay to do. A chance to work on your 'theme', ballpark, strategies--sell off players that don't fit your purposes, and acquire players that do. Believe me, you don't want to arrive at diamond unprepared. We'll be here for fifty-ish weeks, in the 21 version. Don't don't don't stand on the gas pedal with that brick wall in front of you. __________________ FOTF victim Farewell