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Old 08-22-2019, 02:08 PM   #1
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Colorado Springs

Colorado Springs has 450,000 people and is one of the fastest growing markets in the country. cities similar in population lake Columbus and Oklahoma City and Milwaukee already have major league teams but Colorado Springs has yet to have a team. will Colorado Springs ever get a major league team or is their proximity to Denver their undoing?

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Old 08-22-2019, 04:16 PM   #2
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Most likely the latter. Didn't Colorado Springs just recently lose their Triple A baseball team?
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:48 PM   #3
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Yep, they relocated to San Antonio....Colorado Springs has a Rookie level team, the Rocky Mountain Vibes.

The reason the Sky Sox left was because the facilities were extremely outdated and the city/county refused to help the team get a new park, so they moved to better situation for the level of play.
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Old 08-23-2019, 01:55 AM   #4
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The problem with Colorado Springs isn't its proximity to Denver, it's the fact that it's the 91st largest media market in the US, behind such metropolises (metropoli?) as Spokane, Toledo, and Chattanooga. The smallest market with a MLB team is currently Milwaukee, which is about twice as large as Colorado Springs. The largest market without a team is Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, which is about five times larger than CS. So the chances of CS getting a team are pretty good once the big leagues expand to around 90 teams.

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Old 08-24-2019, 06:14 PM   #5
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Orlando had a chance before Tampa Bay got the Team and Rays did split between Orlando/Tampa Bay before. Orlando had WNBA before and never NFL but Predators and never ÑHL but Solar Bears that had one a championship.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:09 AM   #6
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Madison Wisconsin has half the population but is listed as a bigger television market so I don't know where this list is coming from.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:02 AM   #7
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Madison Wisconsin has half the population but is listed as a bigger television market so I don't know where this list is coming from.
The list represents the reach of local media (television and radio stations). So a media market takes in not only the core city but also the surrounding suburbs and satellite cities. Colorado Springs itself may be larger than Madison, but the area around CS is less densely populated than the area around Madison, so Madison's local media market is bigger.

That's also the case with a few big cities. San Antonio, for instance, is the seventh largest city in the US, but it's only the 31st largest media market. San Diego is the eight largest city but only the 29th largest media market. In both cases, they abut other markets (Austin and Los Angeles, respectively), which limit the reach of their media. That's also true of CS, which borders on Denver's market.

Why should anyone care? Well, for professional sports leagues, it's a huge deal. Media markets reflect how many fans a team can draw and determine how much advertisers will spend for time on TV and radio broadcasts. So most leagues don't look at the populations of cities when deciding where to expand/relocate teams, they look at media markets. That's why there are NHL teams in Phoenix and Miami rather than in Hamilton or Quebec City. That's why MLB is so reluctant to leave the Tampa Bay area (11th largest media market) and move the Rays to some place like Portland, OR (22nd largest) or Las Vegas (39th largest). The only league that doesn't care about media markets is the NFL, and that's because it makes so much money from its national broadcast rights - and distributes that money on an equal basis to all the teams - that it almost doesn't matter where an NFL team is located. Do you think a major-league baseball team could exist for very long in Green Bay?

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Old 08-27-2019, 03:19 AM   #8
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I would think leagues would prefer strong ownership groups to large markets. Teams like the San Antonio spurs and las Vegas golden knights are doing just fine.
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I would think leagues would prefer strong ownership groups to large markets. Teams like the San Antonio spurs and las Vegas golden knights are doing just fine.
There's a big difference between filling a 15,000-seat hockey or basketball arena for about 40 games a season and filling a 35,000-seat baseball stadium for 81 games a season. That being said, San Antonio could probably support a major-league baseball team. Las Vegas - maybe. Colorado Springs - never.
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