Green/Red Promotion Arrows

[jumpin_james]

Does anybody have an opinion on whether these are truly a good indicator of when you should promote/demote a player? I'm wondering if they are based on a player being "hot/cold" rather than they are ready for the next league up. Thoughts?

[jimmysthebestcop]

I judge all my prospects myself. Forget those arrows

[Curve Ball Dave]

The arrows draw my attention to certain players. From there I make an assessment. I use them as a guide, not the gospel.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

The arrows draw my attention to certain players. From there I make an assessment. I use them as a guide, not the gospel.

This for me too. I would say I take the "advice" less than 5% of the time.

[qcbandits]

I use them as advise when I set up my minor league teams to start a season. I micro manage my minors all the way down to the DSL. so it takes me a bit to get everything exactly the way I want. the arrows become helpful in the initial setup and then I make my first eval of how its all working about June 1st. Then I look again at the All-Star break

[jpeters1734]

I use the arrows as an indication of who to cut first. I don't typically demote players but when a player has a red arrow, i evaluate him first for release. I'd say it's about 50/50 on if I agree with the arrows

[jumpin_james]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I use the arrows as an indication of who to cut first. I don't typically demote players but when a player has a red arrow, i evaluate him first for release. I'd say it's about 50/50 on if I agree with the arrows

So do you simply look at statistics to evaluate?

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by jumpin_james

So do you simply look at statistics to evaluate?

I do tend to look more at stats than ratings, but it's more of a blend. Take a look at the guide in my sig for more detail

[jumpin_james]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I do tend to look more at stats than ratings, but it's more of a blend. Take a look at the guide in my sig for more detail

Wow! That is incredibly thorough. Just printed it out and will put it to good use. Thanks for the hard work on that!

[naturaldopamine]

The ratings will sometimes lie, statistics always tell the whole story.

[qcbandits]

Not even close to the truth... Put a guy from AAA down in rookie ball and the stats will not tell the truth

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by qcbandits

Not even close to the truth... Put a guy from AAA down in rookie ball and the stats will not tell the truth

I don't really get this. What do you mean? Put a AAA guy in Rookie and he will prove he's better that rookie

[crowhop]

Ha! I never really knew what the arrows meant. I always just assumed they meant hot/cold streaks.

[qcbandits]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I don't really get this. What do you mean? Put a AAA guy in Rookie and he will prove he's better that rookie

Take a crap AAA player put him in a rookie league and his stats will look amazing. So stats can lie. Bc he's in fact not going to be nearly as good as his stats

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by qcbandits

Take a crap AAA player put him in a rookie league and his stats will look amazing. So stats can lie. Bc he's in fact not going to be nearly as good as his stats

This thread is talking about promotion arrows. stats were mentioned as a better way to determine if a guy should get promoted. put a AAA guy in R and his stats will say to promote him.

[qcbandits]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

This thread is talking about promotion arrows. stats were mentioned as a better way to determine if a guy should get promoted. put a AAA guy in R and his stats will say to promote him.

Chill out Skippy... I was just commenting on the guy that said stats don't lie. Stats can be manipulated in real life and OOTP rather easily. So if you don't like my comment, move on Lil doggy

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by qcbandits

Chill out Skippy... I was just commenting on the guy that said stats don't lie. Stats can be manipulated in real life and OOTP rather easily. So if you don't like my comment, move on Lil doggy

Chill out? I'm not sure why you took my comments as anything but chill. I'm literally just sitting here, sipping on some tea, being completely non-confrontational.

However, in the context of what we're talking about in this thread, they don't lie. take your AAA player in rookie. his stats won't lie, just like Shakira's hips

[qcbandits]

You can believe that all you want buddy.. But anything can be manipulated to fit anyone's purpose.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by qcbandits

You can believe that all you want buddy.. But anything can be manipulated to fit anyone's purpose.

I'm surprised that you've taken such issue with a single comment about stats not lying. It is completely obvious that if you take a bum AAA player and put in Rookie ball that he will look like a star. That's not what we are discussing here. The comment from the Braves fan was likely not meant to be taken literally and broadly.

your super star rookie leaguer's stats simply means that he needs to be moved up a level. keep moving him up a level until he's no longer dominating. His stats at each level will tell you one of 3 things. He's overwhelmed, under-challenged, or right where he needs to be. That's an example of stats not lying

[qcbandits]

And I'm surprised you keep acting like I was talking to you?