Human GM/Manager thing again

[Cras]

I will bring this up again. In OOTP as it currently stands, if I, the Human GM of a club, hire a coach to serve as the Field Manager of my team, and I have him handle the appropriate tasks, such as set the line ups and whatnot, I never play out games, I only will watch on occasion with the manager controlling everything, I am just a spectator,

I still get credit for his work. What I mean is, in the managerial leaderboards, my name shows up with those wins and losses (my field manager does too). My picture and name is listed on the league champion page, and I am the one who wins the manager of the year award.

If I hire a field manager, and choose to remain in the office and run the team as a GM, I would expect my field manager to get the recognition he deserves, he is the one listed as manager, he is the one who wins manager of the year, and I should not get credit for w's and l's in the leaderboard (those games essentially get credited twice.)

Is this on the list to be fixed/changed/implemented?

[SandMan]

Great post. I too like to GM and let the manager manage the games. Hopefully this version can have modes like GM and/or Manager.

[dave1927p]

yeah, i agree. I hope this gets "fixed"...along with the manager leaderboards having other staff members who are not managers. Two very poor programing decisions in my mind.

[jarmenia]

Completely agree with this.

[endgame]

Three things on my list every year; this is one of them and I've renewed, again, the request to get this resolved. Frankly, I'm not sure I care if there ever is a GM award, though I'm sure people want their 'credit where credit is due', but the sword's other edge is giving the manager his appropriate due. It simply defies logic and flies in the face of any realism-driven model. Definitely time for a change.

[Markus Heinsohn]

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 wekks again via PM, and I'll add it

[SandMan]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 wekks again via PM, and I'll add it

This would be great, thank you...

[Cras]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 wekks again via PM, and I'll add it

Great stuff Markus!

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 wekks again via PM, and I'll add it

That would be a good start!!!!!!!

[endgame]

Thanks, Markus. Added your quote to the appropriate PT as a reminder.

[jmount78]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 wekks again via PM, and I'll add it

That would be great! It would make playing the game a lot easier for me as I only play GM mode.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Cras

I will bring this up again. In OOTP as it currently stands, if I, the Human GM of a club, hire a coach to serve as the Field Manager of my team, and I have him handle the appropriate tasks, such as set the line ups and whatnot, I never play out games, I only will watch on occasion with the manager controlling everything, I am just a spectator...

The question of the various roles has come up before. I'm of a mind that there are essentially three separate roles the user could take if they wished:

(1) Manager
(2) General Manager
(3) Owner

Playing strictly as each role does offer a different experience and challenges, especially if the AI running the other two roles has its own characteristics. You could, for example, have a hands-off AI owner letting you do your thing as GM, or you could have an interfering owner demanding that a certain player be benched or traded away.

[Aceshigh24]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 weeks again via PM, and I'll add it

Seriously the greatest news I've heard so far. Great thread and can't wait for this to happen!

[neojonas]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The question of the various roles has come up before. I'm of a mind that there are essentially three separate roles the user could take if they wished:

(1) Manager
(2) General Manager
(3) Owner

Playing strictly as each role does offer a different experience and challenges, especially if the AI running the other two roles has its own characteristics. You could, for example, have a hands-off AI owner letting you do your thing as GM, or you could have an interfering owner demanding that a certain player be benched or traded away.

This would be a GREAT way to get new players more acquainted to the game without overwhelming them. When they start a game, they can choose which role to do. The game would set appropriate settings like letting the computer manager lineups if they choose General Manager.

Of course you need a 4th option:

(4) Jerry Jones (I do it all)

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The question of the various roles has come up before. I'm of a mind that there are essentially three separate roles the user could take if they wished:

(1) Manager
(2) General Manager
(3) Owner

Playing strictly as each role does offer a different experience and challenges, especially if the AI running the other two roles has its own characteristics. You could, for example, have a hands-off AI owner letting you do your thing as GM, or you could have an interfering owner demanding that a certain player be benched or traded away.

Don't forget 4) which is League Commissioner

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

Right. I hope however this is handled, there is some fluidity between the roles.

[Cras]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The question of the various roles has come up before. I'm of a mind that there are essentially three separate roles the user could take if they wished:

(1) Manager
(2) General Manager
(3) Owner

Playing strictly as each role does offer a different experience and challenges, especially if the AI running the other two roles has its own characteristics. You could, for example, have a hands-off AI owner letting you do your thing as GM, or you could have an interfering owner demanding that a certain player be benched or traded away.

Yes, the owner concept is something I forgot. You can get close to that with the game as it currently is, with the cannot be fired option, and to turn off budgets, but having the ability to make it official, as it were, and have your self catagorized as both the GM/ and Owner, or even take a step back even further, and hire a GM to do the dirty work (drafts, scouting) and only focus yourself on paralyzing your club by negotiating large contracts for FA's during the offseason.

The opprotunities for future growth with the game recognizing the different roles the human player is working in are quite numerous. I can think of all sorts of ways to add flavour to the game depending on the role, from storylines, control of the stadium and its condition, working with the GM/Field Manager/Owner. None of which should be expected in v13 of course, I am just thinking about what could happen in the future.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by neojonas

Of course you need a 4th option:

(4) Jerry Jones (I do it all)

Originally Posted by dave1927p

Don't forget 4) which is League Commissioner

Of course, there'd always be the option for the user to, if they wished, take on some or all of the roles if they wished, a.k.a. "god" or "commissioner" mode. For those wanting a more specific "role playing" experience they sign on only as manager, general manager, or owner, and be limited to acting only in that role.

It could be done in game via a series of check boxes beside each role; the user then enables each of the roles they wish to take on. So if you just want to be a GM, then you check that box and leave the other two unchecked. If you want to be owner and GM, then enable those two and leave manager blank, and you can hire an AI managers to run your team on the field. Enable all three roles and of course you now have complete control over every aspect of your team.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

Right. I hope however this is handled, there is some fluidity between the roles.

Agreed. I play primarily in a general manager role, but I still "fix" my manager's lineups and the pitching rotation whenever necessary. I wouldn't want to play just as the general manager.

[chrisj]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I could add a "act as GM only" mode... that would result in the computer manager getting all stats / awards, etc.

To be honest, I never really thought that this is a priority, but people seem to like it. So, remind me in 4 wekks again via PM, and I'll add it

I've wanted this feature for so long that I would buy OOTP 13 if this was the only change you made.