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02-07-2020, 12:35 AM | #21 | |
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I read a suggestion somewhere that made some sense. When a player signs their first free agent contract the original team has to pay a percentage of the first year to the player as a bonus. For example, if a team calls a player up 22 days into the season, they will earn 150 service days. Assuming they stay up the rest of the time, they'll be a free agent with 6 years and 150 days. If they sign a $10,000,000 contact, the original team would have to pay an additional (150/172 * 10,000,000) 8.7 million to the player. This would inventivize teams to call players up to begin the season |
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It is to limit the amount spent on player salaries and keep more money in the pockets of the billionaire owners. Just like draft slots Just like international caps |
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02-07-2020, 12:46 AM | #23 | |
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The stealing occurs WITH a salary cap. The cap artificially lowers the amount of money available to pay talent and so money is stolen from the players. |
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02-07-2020, 12:56 AM | #25 |
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No, I didn't. It will be the same situation for everyone.
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It's such an uninformed, or dishonest, argument. The owners decided they would punish other owners for spending money on player salaries after they reach free agency. This is after restricting the amount paid to players *before* they reach free agency. |
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Teams claimed they had a lot of money tied up in a player once he reached the majors and deserved to recoup that before FA. How long to recover that amount getting to pay $5 million players minimum salary for three years and then underpay them by millions during arbitration? There's the original bonus and but then they have an exemption that they don't have to pay minors even minimum wage. Looks like a fast recovery to me. Last edited by Brad K; 02-07-2020 at 02:34 AM. |
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A big spending team gets its cap raised and can spend more. A small money team isn't near the cap and having salary exempted from the cap doesn't affect it at all.
What silliness is next? Are you going to argue that giving the big money teams a break on luxury tax will trickle down to the little money teams, create jobs in the minor leagues, and make baseball great again? |
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Their words and thoughts are clearly on the screen for everyone to read and understand The Cubs will just be playing by the rules when Bryant falls just short of free agency. What are you gonna do? Last edited by CBeisbol; 02-07-2020 at 01:25 AM. |
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Cobra, what did I twist. You've again denied players are being exploited (I don't know how paying them less than they're worth can be anything else) then followed up by saying exploitation is OK.
We're talking people here and the second definition you linked refers to people and uses the word "unfair". You say its clear I'm twisting your words but if both are true (I'm twisting and its clear) then any harm from that falls on me. Yea, start hitting the ignore button on anyone who challenges you with, oh, facts that you don't like. Soon you will be viewing a blank board. |
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The guys who get ripped the most are those who have great 3 year careers. They never get paid for what they did.
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Yea, I'm sure he'd object to personally being exploited. But reality is exploitation and oppression don't end when the exploited and oppressed stand up for themselves. They need others who aren't directly affected to stand up with them so they constitute a majority. They need the people who in the past said some exploitation and oppression was OK to decide none is OK to join them.
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Count me among those who think the draft should be abolished. What you do after that, I don't really care, but the older I get the more wrong the draft seems. Just imagine having to work for the same employer for x years no matter how ****ty they might be to you or others. Yeah, sometimes you might sign a contract with an employer for who knows how many years, but at least you most likely chose them. Barring the rare case like Lindros or Manning, players don't get to choose who they sign with right out of school and most don't get to choose whom they want to play for until years later. That's just not right. And unions should do something about it.
Now if you want to have a cap on signing players who have already signed their first pro contract, sure, that sounds reasonable (it's like the first time home buyer's tax break), but players should always get to choose whom they want to sign with. And just think, it would create a great incentive for team's to want to improve their organization because why would any good to great prospect want to sign with an organization with a bad rep. Those organizations would only be able to sign the players no other teams wanted and that would lead you into an even worse position. You would have to cap the number of signees (or the amount of money spent on signees) so not everyone can sign with the best teams, but it could definitely work. |
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If you're the one, yeah, you feel it is wrong. But that would be your opinion, your point of view. In the eyes of the opposite party, they are exploiting, taking full advantage, of the rule. Slaves are exploited. Migrant workers in Qatar are exploited. Victims of child abuse are exploited. That is bad.
Baseball players who have to wait an "extra" year to become FA's because their parent team delayed calling them up aren't exploited. Their team exploited, took full advantage, the rule. RB's who can't get a long term deal because of the franchise tag rule aren't being exploited. The teams are exploiting, taking full advantage, of the rule.
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