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Old 02-01-2008, 03:45 PM   #1
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Professional Baseball Replay League - Inagueral Hall Of Fame Ballot - Everyone Welcome


Welcome to the first ever Hall of Fame election for the Professional Baseball Replay League!


Ever since 1901, we have been faithfully simming the history of baseball over again with different players, different personalities, and different histories. And now, after more than a year in the real world, we have entered 1936, the year in which the first ever Hall of Fame elections took place. We follow that tradition, and we now hold our first ever election.

10 players will be elected into the first ever Hall of Fame class in 1939. So for the next 3 years, we will keep doing this until we hit 10. From then on after, it’s whoever gets elected.

Players need 75% to be elected. Each voter can vote for up to 10 players.


I want to stress that you can vote for anyone who is retired. The list of players below are a recommendation of the 10 best hitters and pitchers. Please feel free to look at our Catobase, which is enhanced with many stats many version of Cato usually lack.

http://pbrl.allsimbaseball2.com/CatoBase/

If you take a look at the leaderboards for OPS+, ERA+, and Win Shares, you can get a good feeling.

ANYONE CAN VOTE!


But if you aren’t active in PBRL, please submit a serious ballot or don’t vote at all.

And now, the players, and then the votes!
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Larry Abercrombie
, LF, 1910-1925
3076 H , 417 2B , 79 HR , 1015 RBI , 1541 R , 751 K , 757 BB , 63 SB
0.347 AVG . 0.405 OBP , 0.45 SLG , 0.855 OPS
OPS+: 150

BOY Award: 1911, 1916, 1917, 1919, 1923
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1921

Pennants: 1913, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1922
WS Victories: 1915, 1916 (MVP)
WS Record: .433/.459/.558/1.016

Led League in: BA 7, OBP 3, SLG 4, OPS 5, BB 0, 2B 1, HR 0
Career Top 25: BA (4), H (2), HR (25), RBI (17), 2B (15), 3B (20), R (2)
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Ryan Cawdor
, OF, 1913-1933
3306 H , 479 2B , 47 HR , 1296 RBI , 1534 R , 753 K , 808 BB , 304 SB
0.351 AVG . 0.412 OBP , 0.461 SLG , 0.872 OPS
OPS+: 145

BOY Award: 1914, 1916, 1920, 1924
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1921, 1924, 1927

Pennants: 1920, 1930, 1931
WS Victories: 1920
WS Record: .304/.429/.413/.842

Led League in: BA 6, OBP 5, SLG 2, OPS 5, BB 0, 2B 0, HR 0
Career Top 25: BA (4), H (2), RBI (14), 2B (15), 3B (2), R (5)
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Royal Chesterfield
, 1B/3B, 1905-1927
3892 H , 769 2B , 81 HR , 1704 RBI , 1958 R , 1074 K , 1199 BB , 111 SB
0.303 AVG . 0.369 OBP , 0.407 SLG , 0.775 OPS
OPS+: 130

BOY Award: 1908, 1912, 1913
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE

Pennants: 1909, 1013, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1922
WS Victories: 1909, 1915, 1916
WS Record: .308/.336/.474/.809

Led League in: BA 2, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 2, BB 0, 2B 4, HR 0
Career Top 25: H (1), HR (22), RBI (1), 2B (1), 3B (7), BB (9), R (1)
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Caesar Geist
, LF, 1901-1912 (27 years old in 1901)
1635 H , 304 2B , 51 HR , 631 RBI , 879 R , 453 K , 1188 BB , 316 SB
0.304 AVG . 0.431 OBP , 0.417 SLG , 0.848 OPS
OPS+: 164

BOY Award: 3
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE

Pennants: 1901, 1902
WS Victories: NONE
WS Record: NONE

Led League in: BA 2, OBP 4, SLG 3, OPS 4, BB 3, 2B 1, HR 2
Career Top 25: BA (14), H (21), HR (11), 2B (8), BB (3), R (11)
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Bartholomew Martin
, 2B, 1913-1932
3034 H , 321 2B , 93 HR , 1177 RBI , 1404 R , 827 K , 581 BB , 180 SB
0.323 AVG . 0.365 OBP , 0.415 SLG , 0.78 OPS
OPS+: 117

BOY Award: 1923
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1917, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1927, 1929, 1930, 1931

Pennants: 1914, 1916, 1921, 1925, 1926 (MVP)
WS Victories: 1914, 1921, 1925, 1926
WS Record: .358/.408/.517/.924

Led League in: BA 4, OBP 1, SLG 0, OPS 1, BB 0, 2B 0, HR 0
Career Top 25: BA (24), H (5), RBI (18), R (11)
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Sully McTeague
, CF, 1901-1920
2418 H , 391 2B , 29 HR , 967 RBI , 1263 R , 623 K , 1304 BB , 394 SB
0.295 AVG . 0.398 OBP , 0.381 SLG , 0.779 OPS
OPS+: 138

BOY Award: 1910
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE

Pennants: 1903, 1910, 1914
WS Victories: 1910
WS Record: .260/.403/.340/.743

Led League in: BA 1, OBP 5, SLG 0, OPS 2, BB 2, 2B 0, HR 0
Career Top 25: H (6), RBI (9), 2B (13), BB (3), R (2)
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Fibber Paine
, 1B, 1901-1916
2535 H , 661 2B , 48 HR , 1158 RBI , 1127 R , 707 K , 1047 BB , 89 SB
0.308 AVG . 0.384 OBP , 0.438 SLG , 0.822 OPS
OPS+: 155

BOY Award: 1902, 1903, 1904
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1904, 1905, 1904, 1915, 1916

Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
WS Record: NONE

Led League in: BA 2, OBP 2, SLG 4, OPS 4, BB 0, 2B 9, HR 0
Career Top 25: BA (11), H (1), HR (21), RBI (1), 2B (1), 3B (7), BB (10), R (6)

Led League in: BA 2, OBP 4, SLG 3, OPS 4, BB 3, 2B 1, HR 2
Career Top 25: BA (14), H (21), HR (11), 2B (8), BB (3), R (11)
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Joel Praetorius
, 2B, 1907-1924
3030 H , 419 2B , 21 HR , 993 RBI , 1346 R , 873 K , 758 BB , 572 SB
0.315 AVG . 0.366 OBP , 0.397 SLG , 0.763 OPS
OPS+: 129

BOY Award: 1912, 1913
ROY Award: 1907
Gold Gloves: 1914

Pennants: 1909, 1912
WS Victories: 1912
WS Record: .300/.375/.440/.815

Led League in: BA 3, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 2, BB 0, 2B 0, HR 0
Career Top 25: BA (22), H (2), RBI (13), 2B (12), 3B (7), R (4)
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Mick Rooker
, LF, 1901-1917
2053 H , 512 2B , 97 HR , 938 RBI , 1225 R , 555 K , 1345 BB , 343 SB
0.282 AVG . 0.395 OBP , 0.429 SLG , 0.823 OPS
OPS+: 155

BOY Award: 1905, 1907
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1906, 1907, 1909

Pennants: 1907
WS Victories: 1907
WS Record: .333/.400/.611/1.011

Led League in: BA 0, OBP 2, SLG 3, OPS 3, BB 2, 2B 3, HR 4
Career Top 25:H (4), HR (1), RBI (7), 2B (3), 3B (5), BB (2), R (1)
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Bob Rooney
, C, 1901-1922
2617 H , 596 2B , 115 HR , 1145 RBI , 1470 R , 946 K , 2052 BB , 111 SB
.277 AVG, .407 OBP, .391 SLG, .798 OPS
OPS+: 143


BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1906, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914

Pennants: 1903, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1911
WS Victories: 1905, 1906, 1907
WS Record: .264/.412/.424/.836, 4 HR, 17 RBI, 33 R

Led League in: BA 1, OBP 6, SLG 2, OPS 4, BB 10, 2B 4, HR 2
Career Top 25: H (3), HR (4), RBI (4), 2B (3), BB (1), R (2)

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Old 02-01-2008, 03:46 PM   #3
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David Brent
, 1911-1930
287 - 228 , 0.557 WP% , 3.18 ERA
4876.6 IP , 2467 K , 1074 BB , 429 CG , 47 SHO , 1.15 WHIP
ERA+: 128

PITCHER OF THE YEAR Award: 1923
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: 1922, 1923, 1927, 1928
World Championships: 1922
WS Record: 3-1, 3.07 ERA (1922 WS MVP)

Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 2, IP 2, K 2, WHIP 2
Career Top 25: W (9), K (8), CG (4), SHO (10)
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Caroll Edwards
, 1902-1921
385 - 188 , 0.672 WP% , 2.15 ERA
5655.6 IP , 3595 K , 1268 BB , 439 CG , 118 SHO , 1.01 WHIP
ERA+: 178

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: 1908, 1911, 1912
World Championships: 1908, 1911
WS Record: 4-3, 1.18 ERA (1908 WS MVP)

Led League in: ERA 9, Wins 7, IP 2, K 7, WHIP 10
Career Top 25: ERA (1), W (2), K (2), CG (2), SHO (1)
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Handsome Jack Hartung
, 1901-1916
319 - 198 , 0.617 WP% , 2.62 ERA
4886.2 IP , 2550 K , 1013 BB , 387 CG , 59 SHO , 1.07 WHIP
ERA+: 138


PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1907, 1908
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: NONE
World Championships: NONE
WS Record: NONE

Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 4, IP 3, K 2, WHIP 1
Career Top 25: ERA (11), W (3), K (5), CG (6), SHO (6)
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Herman "Ham" Iburg
, 1905-1921
303 - 225 , 0.574 WP% , 3.34 ERA
4928.0 IP , 2822 K , 2232 BB , 358 CG , 45 SHO , 1.34 WHIP
ERA+: 107

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: NONE
ROY Award: 1905

Pennants: 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1915, 1916, 1917
World Championships: 1905, 1906, 1907, 1915, 1916
WS Record: 9-2, 2.08 ERA

Led League in: ERA 0, Wins 1, IP 0, K 0, WHIP 0
Career Top 25: W (6), K (4), CG (9), SHO (11)
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Jim Joy
, 1901-1911 (25 years old in 1901)
289 - 201 , 0.59 WP% , 2.54 ERA
4751.3 IP , 2754 K , 893 BB , 432 CG , 73 SHO , 1.05 WHIP
ERA+: 139


PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1901
ROY Award: 1901

Pennants: 1901, 1901
World Championships: NONE
WS Record: NONE

Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 1, IP 3, K 4, WHIP 5
Career Top 25: ERA (4), W (5), K (3), CG (1), SHO (2)
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Avery Luck
, 1901-1917
323 - 228 , 0.586 WP% , 2.28 ERA
5387.2 IP , 3277 K , 1540 BB , 350 CG , 75 SHO , 1.09 WHIP
ERA+: 150

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1902, 1903, 1904, 1911, 1912
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: 1903, 1905, 1906, 1908, 1910, 1921
World Championships: 1905, 1906
WS Record: 6-4, 2.02 ERA

Led League in: ERA 3, Wins 3, IP 2, K 6, WHIP 1
Career Top 25: ERA (3), W (2), K (2), CG (9), SHO (2)
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Gabriel Poe
, 1910-1928
276 - 228 , 0.548 WP% , 3.25 ERA
4909.8 IP , 2525 K , 1180 BB , 101 CG , 28 SHO , 1.24 WHIP
ERA+: 126

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1922
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: 1920
World Championships: 1920
WS Record: 1-0, 3.07 ERA

Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 0, K 2, WHIP 2
Career Top 25: W (9), K (7)
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Shep Sanders
, 1901-1919
316 - 212 , 0.598 WP% , 2.65 ERA
4954.2 IP , 2037 K , 904 BB , 404 CG , 58 SHO , 1.09 WHIP
ERA+: 134

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1906
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: 1903, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1911
World Championships: 1905, 1906, 1907
WS Record: 8-5, 3.26 ERA (1905 WS MVP) (1907 WS MVP)

Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 0, K 0, WHIP 0
Career Top 25: ERA (12), W (5), K (11), CG (5), SHO (7)
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Monty Slocum
, 1918-1931
317 - 153 , 0.674 WP% , 3.4 ERA
4408.3 IP , 1828 K , 730 BB , 364 CG , 29 SHO , 1.19 WHIP
ERA+: 136

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1919, 1921, 1924, 1929
ROY Award: 1918

Pennants: 1919, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1929
World Championships: 1919, 1923, 1924, 1929
WS Record: 6-4, 2.38 ERA (1919 WS MVP)

Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 6, IP 1, K 3, WHIP 5
Career Top 25: W (5), K (19), CG (10)
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Jurgen Verherrsch
, 1903-1922
406 - 217 , 0.652 WP% , 2.43 ERA
6118.3 IP , 3625 K , 1585 BB , 482 CG , 81 SHO , 1.10 WHIP
ERA+: 151

PITCHER OF THE YEAR: 1909, 1910, 1915, 1916, 1917
ROY Award: NONE

Pennants: 1913, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1919, 1922
World Championships: 1915, 1916, 1917
WS Record: 8-3, 2.21 ERA (1915 WS MVP)

Led League in: ERA 6, Wins 4, IP 3, K 5, WHIP 2
Career Top 25: ERA (3), W (1), K (1), CG (1), SHO (2)

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I want to point out, and maybe make a little pitch for, Caesar Geist and Jim Joy. These guys had a good part of their careers chopped off by 1901 - they would have been active players from 1895-1900, but PBRL didn't start until 1901. So if you want (as I do), I consider it the same as having lost time due to war. I just want to make sure people notice that they have amazing rate stats, even though their counting stats are lessened, and its no fault of their own.
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Man, this is nearly impossible to keep to 10 players

Bad Bart Martin - 3K hits plus record amount of GG's, a BOY and leader of 4 champs
Rooney - So many walks...
Abercrombie - Great player at his peak
Chesterfield - The hits king
Cawdor - Lethal hitter
Edwards - 2nd great SP
Verrherrsch - 3rd great SP
Hartung - Highly underrated
Slocum - 4 time POY
Luck - 1st great SP
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Larry Abercrombie - best pure hitter in history, IMO
Royal Chesterfield - So good, for so long - almost 4,000 hits
Bob Rooney - he's Bob Rooney, he gets the vote
Ryan Cawdor - only challenger to Lobo for best hitter ever
Caesar Geist - incredible hitter who had his career cut off, and I like old timey players
Bad Bart Martin - he and Rooney have the best combo of fielding and hitting of all time

Caroll Edwards - 9 straight POTY
Jurgen Verherrsch - 400 wins, and an amazing World Series pitcher
Avery Luck - Despite his 1-20 final season
Jim Joy - Same as Geist
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From one of our GMs, JT, on the league boards:


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Larry Abercrombie
Royal Chesterfield
Joel Praetorius
Bart Martin
Ryan Cawdor
David Brent
Caroll Edwards
Avery Luck
Jurgen Verherrsch
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Abercrombie
Chesterfield
Martin
Rooker
Edwards
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Sanders
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Rooney - Surprised to see so many people leave him off. He was basically the league's first superstar.
Abercrombie - First great hitter, like Ty Cobb.
Chesterfield - Just kept plugging away and set some amazing records.
Cawdor - Dominated the NL for well over a decade.
Geist - Wish we could have seen some of his stats before 1901. Has some great single season records.
Martin - 3000 hits and 10 Gold Gloves. Anchored a great Giants dynasty.

Edwards - All those POTY awards. One of the first great pitchers.
Verherrsch - 400 wins and a spectacular postseason pitcher.
Luck - The last of the big three pitchers.
Joy - Incredible pitcher and would have liked to see his stats before 1901.
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Hey, I remember some of these guys from my time in PBRL! Go Fibber!

I'll add my vote a little later on.
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Man, this was way tougher than I thought it'd be. I had a hard line drawn, but I couldn't bring myself to leave some guys off. These guys are legends.

Abercrombie
Cawdor
Chesterfield
Martin
Geist
Rooney

Edwards
Luck
Verherrsch
Joy


With apologies to my current manager, Mick Rooker.

EDIT: I notice Avi, Ethan and I have the exact same ballot. I think we're onto something.
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Old 02-01-2008, 05:49 PM   #12
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1 Ryan Cawdor
2 Royal Chesterfield
3 Bartholomew Martin
4 Joel Praetorius
5 Bob Rooney
6 Jurgen Verherrsch
7 Monty Slocum
8 Avery Luck
9 Herman "Ham" Iburg
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LF Larry Abercrombie
LF Ryan Cawdor
C Bob Rooney

SP Caroll Edwards
SP Avery Luck
SP Jurgen Verherrsch

I'll vote for more of them next year, but these are the 6 that stand out in my mind as head and shoulders above the rest.
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I'll vote for more of them next year, but these are the 6 that stand out in my mind as head and shoulders above the rest.
Interesting. I almost did a 5 person ballot, but I had Chesterfield over Lobo and Cawdor. 3800+ hits, nearly 600 above the next closest, is hard to argue against. I too don't value longevitiy as much over rates, which is why Bad Bart was the last edition to my ballot, but 3800 hits. Bart gets the nod from my attempts to value defense and some of his intangibles.
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Larry Abercrombie
Ryan Cawdor
Royal Chesterfield
Caesar Geist
Bad Bart Martin
Bob Rooney

Carroll Edwards
Jim Joy
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