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There are things at play other than card ratings, too. Team and player strategies (both yours and opposition); lineup, rotation and bullpen construction; ballpark factors; etc.
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one team could really suck and they can pitch around him, or not have as many runner in scoring position when he is a bat. someone may have him set to agressive sacrifice bunting : ) some may never rest player |
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The issue being discussed in this thread has never been that cards are underproducing. It is that the same card is producing in a way that is impossible to predict from season to season.
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It's not predictive, that the player is going to be hot or cold in the next game.
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It's no different than in regular OOTP, but the flatter talent pool and the big difference in who is a average and likely highly variable player makes things feel different and makes it hard to adjust mentally to who's that sort of player. In regular OOTP, you wouldn't think twice if Anibal Sanchez or Mike Moustakas has a down year one year and a great year the next. Never mind actual bad players. You are not only not surprised, but expect it even. In some PT leagues, because of the higher and flatter talent pool, Anibal Sanchez = Bob Gibson and Mike Moustakas = Brooks Robinson. That can be a hard thing to wrap your brain around, but the underlying mechanics and variance are the same in each case.
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People keep forgetting that there are no Ranger pitchers to fatten your stats on. As a long suffering Ranger fan I am quite sure that this is the only problem with under performing hitters in PT.
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Hank Aaron as the worst player in the league is an issue. It's a issue with how the game runs, but it's the same for every player. It would almost be better if these were nameless players so it wouldn't be so wrong to see Aaron be the worst player in the entire league, which is he for me. |
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what are Hank's ratings? What kind of park do you play in? What level of PT are you at? Using absolutes like never and always is just not a good idea. there are plenty of factors that come into play.
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As the underlying algorithms for producing (seasonal) statistical output in OOTP were developed using mostly broad, bell-shaped distributions of talents, in the setting of PT they generate (seasonal) output that might not be consistent with what people's intuition tell them is appropriate, in particular the occasional large change season to season. The talent distributions in PT set up apparent "butterfly effects" where small changes in initial conditions generate very different outputs. If OOTP's algorithms were built anew for the PT environment, I bet these butterfly effects might be much smaller in magnitude. |
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It's also ratings versus league totals as well.
As an extreme example, in a real league there are maybe 5 guys with an 80 HR rating. So, they are going to hit 50 HRs. In PT, there could be a lot more guys with an 80 HR rating. They're not going to hit 50 HR because of the relationship with the league totals. |
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Yeah, exactly.
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People wouldn't complain that "Henry Barron" was the worst player in the league with the same rating that Henry Aaron has. The name of the player gives unrealistic expectations. |
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Also there's the related fact that some cards for even big name guys are based on lesser seasons of theirs. So the expectations are even more unrealistic in that case, since they're rated on seasons where they were maybe only league average or a little better anyway, not really what we think of as "Hank Aaron" or "Tom Seaver" to begin with. They're really just cards of guys who were decent in a given year but happen to have a famous name.
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