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Old 03-14-2019, 04:18 PM   #41
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The 98 record breaker Ted Williams card has an OF range factor of 27, while the 96 1949 card has an OF range factor of 31- compare vs. the peak 100 card which has a range of 44.

Wanted to confirm that those range factors are accurate, since it will make the two lower diamond Williams cards essentially defensively unplayable, sort of much higher end versions of the 19 JD Martinez card.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:09 PM   #42
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Another example of low defensive ratings is the perfect Gehrig, which looks like it will translate to about a 38 rating at 1B. While Gehrig and Ted Williams may have been subpar fielders, these ratings would make them historically bad.

Philosophically, can a card be rated a perfect or high diamond card if the defensive ratings are abysmal?

As an aside, most of the historical player fielding ratings in the 20 database seem much more accurate than in 19, so these players may be the exception, not the rule.
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I see pitchers with overall stuff as low as 9!
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I can't confirm 100% this is a bug but it's bothering me the highest rated Tony Gwynn card is now an 80 (his peak 1994 card). That rating is lower than all 3 of his from OOTP 2019...

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Here are a few things that have jumped out at me when looking through the database. I'm not sure if these things are correct, but I think they need to be double checked for accuracy.

Catcher Bob Boone 1978 All Star (78 OVR)

On the current PT1.0 version he is listed with a catching ability at 105 and catching arm at 89.
On PT 2.0 Database Catching Ability is 75 and arm is 69.

Seems like these numbers are significantly lower for someone who is considered a great defensive catcher.

Starting Pitcher Dallas Keuchel 2015 All Star (88 OVR in PT 2.0)

His movement is at 96 in PT 1.0 which is the highest in the game
In PT 2.0 movement is 53 (I know this isn't the actual number in the game, but you incorporate MVT and GB % to get MVT number we see in the game). This seems way too low for this card. Is this a mistake? Lots of players have numbers more than twice as high


Unsung Hero SP Sad Sam Jones 1921

Appears to be the exact same card as in version 1.0 of the game, except this one is 92 overall rated while it was a 72 rated card in PT 1.0

I can see this card getting an increase in OVR rating, but doesn't look close to the other 92 OVR rated cards. Is this a mistake???
I see the same thing with Larry Dierker (went from 83 OVR to 92 OVR) and Len Barker (went from 78 OVR to 93 OVR). Was this just a big jump for the Unsung Hero cards? I agree that they need to be upgraded overall, but the jumps seem way too much


These are the 3 that jump off the page to me as of now, but I will take a closer look at things to help you guys find "bugs" if there are any

Can I make one suggestion??? If you release updates to the current PT 2.0 card database, can you put a separate section detailing the changes that were made on the update so I can update my lists instead of having to redo everything for some potential changes to ratings?

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Great, now I'll have to nerd out even more over this game! Love that there is a Rookie Alvin Davis card, sweet!
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Here are a few things that have jumped out at me when looking through the database. I'm not sure if these things are correct, but I think they need to be double checked for accuracy.

Catcher Bob Boone 1978 All Star (78 OVR)

On the current PT1.0 version he is listed with a catching ability at 105 and catching arm at 89.
On PT 2.0 Database Catching Ability is 75 and arm is 69.

Seems like these numbers are significantly lower for someone who is considered a great defensive catcher.

Starting Pitcher Dallas Keuchel 2015 All Star (88 OVR in PT 2.0)

His movement is at 96 in PT 1.0 which is the highest in the game
In PT 2.0 movement is 53 (I know this isn't the actual number in the game, but you incorporate MVT and GB % to get MVT number we see in the game). This seems way too low for this card. Is this a mistake? Lots of players have numbers more than twice as high


Unsung Hero SP Sad Sam Jones 1921

Appears to be the exact same card as in version 1.0 of the game, except this one is 92 overall rated while it was a 72 rated card in PT 1.0

I can see this card getting an increase in OVR rating, but doesn't look close to the other 92 OVR rated cards. Is this a mistake???
I see the same thing with Larry Dierker (went from 83 OVR to 92 OVR) and Len Barker (went from 78 OVR to 93 OVR). Was this just a big jump for the Unsung Hero cards? I agree that they need to be upgraded overall, but the jumps seem way too much


These are the 3 that jump off the page to me as of now, but I will take a closer look at things to help you guys find "bugs" if there are any

Can I make one suggestion??? If you release updates to the current PT 2.0 card database, can you put a separate section detailing the changes that were made on the update so I can update my lists instead of having to redo everything for some potential changes to ratings?

Kevin
Nope, these are all okay... the Unsung Hereos in PT19 were artificially lowered in overall ratings. We no longer do that in PT 20. Movement is okay too for Keuchel, he has a very high GB% which in the end will result in a high movement overall.
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The 98 record breaker Ted Williams card has an OF range factor of 27, while the 96 1949 card has an OF range factor of 31- compare vs. the peak 100 card which has a range of 44.

Wanted to confirm that those range factors are accurate, since it will make the two lower diamond Williams cards essentially defensively unplayable, sort of much higher end versions of the 19 JD Martinez card.
This is okay... according to our metrics (which were updated for OOTP 20) they were indeed really bad defensively.
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I can't confirm 100% this is a bug but it's bothering me the highest rated Tony Gwynn card is now an 80 (his peak 1994 card). That rating is lower than all 3 of his from OOTP 2019...
In PT19 they were artificially inflated. In PT20 we trust the OOTP engine evaluation more
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Interesting things, not sure if I'm supposed to show them here

- when I click on Ronald Acuna in the auction house it doesn't show his stats
--- and now he's gone, maybe he was sold?
- Live CF Dalton Pompey - cannot sell or AH
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In PT19 they were artificially inflated. In PT20 we trust the OOTP engine evaluation more
Mark Loretta is a better Padres player than Gwynn? That hurts
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Well, remember that these are not retrospectives on a player's entire career. They're snapshots of one season in time (except for the Peak cards).

Mark Loretta had a 6 WAR season, which was more than Gwynn had in 17 of his 20 seasons (not that WAR exactly = a cards value by any means, but it can give you a rough idea in some cases).
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Why are there some perfect MLB Live cards

Bare with me, since this is the first time I have seen Perfect Pitch stuff, but many of the 100 point rated cards are PEAK cards --- which makes sense since these combine their best traits from different years into one card --- making them really Supermen.

But the thing I find confusing is how MLB live cards could also be rated 100 points (perfect) --- by definition, wouldn't the best prospective player for 2019 be much worse than a PEAK Babe Ruth or Bob Gibson? I would expect they should max out at around maybe 90, in comparison.
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Bare with me, since this is the first time I have seen Perfect Pitch stuff, but many of the 100 point rated cards are PEAK cards --- which makes sense since these combine their best traits from different years into one card --- making them really Supermen.

But the thing I find confusing is how MLB live cards could also be rated 100 points (perfect) --- by definition, wouldn't the best prospective player for 2019 be much worse than a PEAK Babe Ruth or Bob Gibson? I would expect they should max out at around maybe 90, in comparison.
70% (down from 75% in PT19) of all cards pulled in each tier (perfect, diamond, gold, etc.) are live cards. If there are perfect historical cards, there have to be perfect live cards. Prices for historical cards will be much higher than the live cards to reflect the rarity and higher quality.
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Yes, confirmed

Based on what you said, I ran some regressions. It appears that an MLB Live card rated at, say, 90, is about equivalent to a PEAK card with a card rating of 78.4. So PEAK cards of any rating are very valuable.
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What is the latest database located? I see quite a few cards in PT 2.0 that are rated differently (either overall rating or individual ratings) compared to the database I am using. Just want to make sure I am up to date.
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