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Old 05-24-2019, 04:52 PM   #1
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19th century question / height

Iím doing a fictional 19th century league and all the players are very, very short. I think the tallest guy is like 6í2Ē and the league average height is probably 5í8Ē. Iím not complaining, donít get me wrong! This is pretty historically accurate (although there were probably a couple people who were freakishly tall). Iím just wondering, is this by design? Does player size slowly increase on its own?

Also, what effects does height have on the game besides making a small difference in fielding at first base? (Note: I mean OOTP, not actual baseball; I can think of several things height can help or hinder with in the real life game.)
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Iím doing a fictional 19th century league and all the players are very, very short. I think the tallest guy is like 6í2Ē and the league average height is probably 5í8Ē. Iím not complaining, donít get me wrong! This is pretty historically accurate (although there were probably a couple people who were freakishly tall). Iím just wondering, is this by design? Does player size slowly increase on its own?
I believe the answer to both is "yes."

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Also, what effects does height have on the game besides making a small difference in fielding at first base? (Note: I mean OOTP, not actual baseball; I can think of several things height can help or hinder with in the real life game.)
Tall players have a better chance of becoming pitchers, at least in the modern game. Not sure about the nineteenth century, although even then pitchers tended to be on the tall side. There were, of course, some prominent exceptions, like Hoss Radbourn (5'9") and Pud Galvin (5'8"), but generally the best pitchers in the nineteenth century were 5'10" or taller, which made them stand out (literally) among their peers.
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Right. I know that in real life height provides a pretty big advantage to pitching in that it provides you leverage. Also, it's easier to throw strikes at a larger target so I'd expect that walk rates are higher for smaller players, everything else being equal. My question is, what's actually in the *game*. I know that taller first basemen get a boost to their fielding ability but beyond that I'm not aware that OOTP has anything in it that gives bonuses or maluses.
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My question is, what's actually in the *game*. I know that taller first basemen get a boost to their fielding ability but beyond that I'm not aware that OOTP has anything in it that gives bonuses or maluses.
Perhaps I was not explaining myself very well. Let me clarify my previous remarks:

In OOTP, tall players have a better chance of becoming pitchers, at least in the modern game as simulated by OOTP. Not sure about the nineteenth century as simulated by OOTP, although even then pitchers tended to be on the tall side. There were, of course, some prominent exceptions, like Hoss Radbourn (5'9") and Pud Galvin (5'8"), but generally the best pitchers in the nineteenth century were 5'10" or taller, which made them stand out (literally) among their peers.

I didn't know I had to make the italicized parts explicit, as this is an OOTP forum where we're talking about OOTP. I'm glad to have the opportunity to make that clear.
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the average 19th century player was 5'9 170 lbs
the average 19th century pitcher was also 5'9 170 lbs
the average 19th century star pitcher was 5'9 170 lbs

in the 1870's 5'8 was the average by the early 1900's players had grown an inch or two to 5'10
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IIRC I remember reading where at 6'1" Honus Wagner was considered a monster

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