OOTP XI Utilities - Playoff Editor - Page 2

Tony M · 07-12-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by spitfire

Question: To use this to implement byes and set up a situation where, for example, 2 plays 3 with the winner to face 1, we'd have to set OOTP up so that 4 also made the playoffs. Then we'd use the utility to erase 4 and get the structure we want. Is that basically correct? If so, do you anticipate any ramifications to that 4th place team, which in OOTP terms thought they'd made the playoffs? For example, would thinking they've made it in affect the fan popularity and/or salary structure for the club, or the chances of the manager being fired? Would the 4th place team change it's style of managing late in the season, thinking that they'd made the playoffs and not knowing they really had to finish 3rd? Any guesses as to these questions? Whatever, it's great to see that byes CAN be a part of the custom playoff structure. Great job!

Yes, you'll always need to set up OOTP to return 2^n teams to the playoffs, and then work out how many series to delete.

So if you want 3 rounds per sub-league before the world series you would need to set up a custom playoff in OOTP to allow 8 teams per league and then depending on how many teams you actually want to qualify you'd need to delete

5 teams to qualify - 3 series per sub-league need to be deleted
6 teams to qualify - 2 series per sub-league need to be deleted
7 teams to qualify - 1 series per sub-league need to be deleted

At the moment don't delete all the series inside a round as there isn't a way to add one. If you follow the instructions in the above post about doing an ML one you'll get the rough idea how to adapt it to any structure.

With regards to teams thinking they've made the playoffs, I'm sure there is some change to AI close to the end of the season, but I don't think there's any other issue to them (it's not recorded in history as having made playoffs unless they've actually played a playoff game)

Tony M · 07-14-2009, 10:03 AM

Coming up in v1.0.0.4

The ability to lengthen the playoffs beyond what can be set-up in game.

The attached image shows an ML league where the top four wild cards play down to one team which then joins the divisional champs for a standard playoff bracket. At the moment this can't be done in the editor as you need to set up OOTP X to generate enough rounds in the playoffs. However with a 30 team league it is impossible to select enough teams in custom playoffs to get to 5 rounds (as you need 32 teams for that)

I'm going to see what happens also if you then attempt to do double-elimination (I still think the game will hate it if two teams end up playing against themselves again)

blueturf · 07-20-2009, 03:29 PM

Tony,
It is good to see you working on the editor once again. I look forward to seeing what you can do with playoff customization.

Any plans to update the rest of you editor for OOTPX? I really miss having the ability to export/import the .fg files for Facegen.

Le Grande Orange · 07-20-2009, 08:41 PM

At this rate, Tony will have my entire Customizable Playoffs Proposal incorporated into his utility in no time...

Whitesox · 07-24-2009, 01:43 AM

Wow, this is great. Much thanks, and I will be watching this...

hank9481 · 07-24-2009, 01:43 AM

Tony,

You had a set of OOTP 8 utilities similar to this where you could edit the schedule and other things, which I used extensively. Is this in the works?

My league's all-star game is set for the wrong date so being able to adjust the schedule for such a thing would be a HUGE help!

hank9481 · 07-27-2009, 07:40 PM

Tony? Thoughts?

Carplos · 08-14-2009, 09:56 PM

Hmm, we can still only have byes in the first round, correct? So no 4vs3, winner plays 2, then winner plays 1?

Tony M · 08-15-2009, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carplos

Hmm, we can still only have byes in the first round, correct? So no 4vs3, winner plays 2, then winner plays 1?

You can, but you need a league size that will allow that many teams into the playoffs. Assuming you are talking a 2 subleague system that makes 4 rounds for the playoffs so you need the ability to have 8 teams qualify in the game in each subleague (it doesn't matter that they don't qualify), which is OK if you have that many teams and set up a custom playoff setup in the game.

I'm trying to work out the exact mechanism to convince the game to allow playoff schedules that would require more teams than the league has in order to 'fill' the original schedule.

Take for example the following example

Week 1 : 1 v 4 (A), 5 v 8 (B), 6 v 7 (C), 2 v 3 (D)
Week 2 : L[A] v W[B] (E), L[D] v W[C] (F)
Week 3 : W[A] v W[F] (G), W[D] v W[E] (H)
Week 4 : W[G] v W[H]

If that format was used in each subleague in an MLB setup you'd need a 5 round playoff which the game would want 32 teams for (and there aren't enough for that).

I think if I can convince the game to allow enough wildcards to make the full complement without it realising it can't fill it, then playoffs will be able to be lengthened.

Tony M · 08-15-2009, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hank9481

Tony,

You had a set of OOTP 8 utilities similar to this where you could edit the schedule and other things, which I used extensively. Is this in the works?

My league's all-star game is set for the wrong date so being able to adjust the schedule for such a thing would be a HUGE help!

I'll have a look at that for v10.

hank9481 · 08-17-2009, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony M

I'll have a look at that for v10.

Thanks! I know it was a widely used utility and was great.

Muzamba · 08-19-2009, 10:34 PM

Tony,

As you probably know from previous versions, I'm most interested in the exporter/importers for teams, players, and coaches. Do you have plans to release any of these for OOTPX anytime soon?

daves · 08-23-2009, 10:39 AM

I will check this out later.

daves · 08-23-2009, 04:49 PM

Bump

muted79 · 08-24-2009, 02:36 AM

Not sure if I am doing it right but can;t figure out if its possible in the current version. I want team #1 to have a bye in the first and 2nd rounds while teams 2 through 5 playoff, with Team #1 then playing the winner of that playoff, is this possible currently/in the future? There are enough teams in the league to run this many rounds.

Tony M · 08-24-2009, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muted79

Not sure if I am doing it right but can;t figure out if its possible in the current version. I want team #1 to have a bye in the first and 2nd rounds while teams 2 through 5 playoff, with Team #1 then playing the winner of that playoff, is this possible currently/in the future? There are enough teams in the league to run this many rounds.

If this is one sub-league then when during pre-season set the custom playoffs to have 8 teams qualify - it doesn't matter which 8 (probably best to choose the WCs 1-8), if you have two sub-leagues you need to set the custom playoffs to have 16 qualifiers.

Then when you get to the first day of the playoffs you'll have 4 series per sub-league. You can delete two of them per sub-league and then rearrange the teams in the remaining two to be 2 v 5 and 3 v 4. The second round should work fine as the game will automatically advance the winners. At the end of the second round you'll need to add a series to put 1 v W

muted79 · 08-24-2009, 05:10 AM

I tried this, but when I got to the last day it said the league was in the offseason, I think I may have run one day too long, when is the time to do it? the day the last game of the series finishes?

Tony M · 08-24-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by muted79

I tried this, but when I got to the last day it said the league was in the offseason, I think I may have run one day too long, when is the time to do it? the day the last game of the series finishes?

Best way to do it is to sim to the last day of the regular season and then sim forward one day so that the playoffs get generated as a 8 or 16 team playoff. Quit the game and use the utility to alter the first round. Then play through the first round day by day, and as soon as all the series have finished then quit the game and go back and edit the second round.

Because the program is external there's no way to fully automate the process. You need to amend each series at the end of the previous one. Once a game has been played in a series it is uneditable.

I'll try and make a walkthrough for what you are trying to do.

muted79 · 08-24-2009, 07:48 AM

that would be great thanks

muted79 · 08-24-2009, 07:56 AM

I think the problem lies in that when it gets to the last round it think there's only one team left standing, the winner of the 2 vs 5 playoffs, therefore it declares the playoffs over and won't give me a chance to add a series between team 1 and the winner of the 2 vs 5 playoffs.

07-14-2009, 10:03 AM	#22
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156 Blog Entries: 3	Coming up in v1.0.0.4 The ability to lengthen the playoffs beyond what can be set-up in game. The attached image shows an ML league where the top four wild cards play down to one team which then joins the divisional champs for a standard playoff bracket. At the moment this can't be done in the editor as you need to set up OOTP X to generate enough rounds in the playoffs. However with a 30 team league it is impossible to select enough teams in custom playoffs to get to 5 rounds (as you need 32 teams for that) I'm going to see what happens also if you then attempt to do double-elimination (I still think the game will hate it if two teams end up playing against themselves again) Attached Images __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

07-20-2009, 03:29 PM	#23
blueturf All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 516	Tony, It is good to see you working on the editor once again. I look forward to seeing what you can do with playoff customization. Any plans to update the rest of you editor for OOTPX? I really miss having the ability to export/import the .fg files for Facegen. __________________ Kalama - Fictional World Quick Start with jerseys, logos and map - Photobucket of my fictional stadiums - Stadium thread

07-24-2009, 01:43 AM	#26
hank9481 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 451 Blog Entries: 1	Tony, You had a set of OOTP 8 utilities similar to this where you could edit the schedule and other things, which I used extensively. Is this in the works? My league's all-star game is set for the wrong date so being able to adjust the schedule for such a thing would be a HUGE help! __________________ HH www.mblsim.com

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08-19-2009, 10:34 PM	#32
Muzamba Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,325	Tony, As you probably know from previous versions, I'm most interested in the exporter/importers for teams, players, and coaches. Do you have plans to release any of these for OOTPX anytime soon? __________________ "It may be nothing. But it usually is always something and more than something." - Cardinals GM John Mozeliak

07-20-2009, 08:41 PM	#24
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,407	At this rate, Tony will have my entire Customizable Playoffs Proposal incorporated into his utility in no time...

07-24-2009, 01:43 AM	#25
Whitesox Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 23	Wow, this is great. Much thanks, and I will be watching this...

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Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,691 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Hmm, we can still only have byes in the first round, correct? So no 4vs3, winner plays 2, then winner plays 1?

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daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,632	I will check this out later. __________________

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daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,632	Bump __________________

08-24-2009, 02:36 AM	#35
muted79 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 890	Not sure if I am doing it right but can;t figure out if its possible in the current version. I want team #1 to have a bye in the first and 2nd rounds while teams 2 through 5 playoff, with Team #1 then playing the winner of that playoff, is this possible currently/in the future? There are enough teams in the league to run this many rounds. Last edited by muted79; 08-24-2009 at 02:38 AM.

08-24-2009, 05:10 AM	#37
muted79 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 890	I tried this, but when I got to the last day it said the league was in the offseason, I think I may have run one day too long, when is the time to do it? the day the last game of the series finishes?

08-24-2009, 07:48 AM	#39
muted79 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 890	that would be great thanks

08-24-2009, 07:56 AM	#40
muted79 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 890	I think the problem lies in that when it gets to the last round it think there's only one team left standing, the winner of the 2 vs 5 playoffs, therefore it declares the playoffs over and won't give me a chance to add a series between team 1 and the winner of the 2 vs 5 playoffs.