Owner Deathpool - Page 2

jpeters1734 · 05-19-2017, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

Injuries on low is essentially normal. Do normal and you'll have a third of your team out for the season.

I've only had one owner die on me. But who cares, the owners are probably the least important and influential aspect of the game. You can win the world series and they'll still get mad at you for not dumping your overpaid right fielder.

Lol please. I play on high and it's perfectly realistic. Some people simply have preconceived notions about injury frequencies. If you studied injury rates in real life you laugh too at how silly you sound

Kronos · 05-19-2017, 10:15 PM

Owner deaths are high but so are team sales, take a look at the current MLB owners and how long they have had their teams, teams aren't sold that often, in game there is at least 1 sale per year.

jpeters1734 · 05-19-2017, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kronos

Owner deaths are high but so are team sales, take a look at the current MLB owners and how long they have had their teams, teams aren't sold that often, in game there is at least 1 sale per year.

lol there is not!! There's a lot of exaggeration going on in this thread

ohiodevil · 05-20-2017, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kronos

Owner deaths are high but so are team sales, take a look at the current MLB owners and how long they have had their teams, teams aren't sold that often, in game there is at least 1 sale per year.

I just did a 10 year sim and there were 3 owners who died and only 1 sale.

jpeters1734 · 05-20-2017, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

I just did a 10 year sim and there were 3 owners who died and only 1 sale.

i often have to wait 35-40 years for bob nutting to die. dude won't go away

Mets52 · 05-20-2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

I hated when (as the Indians) I lost 3 of my 5 outfielders in a span of 2 weeks....and the one I sent down to Triple-A also got hurt.....and then 2 of my starting pitchers went down as well in that time frame.....oh wait, that really did happen.

Here is the list of real injuries through today.....looks pretty on par with the amount of injuries in the game

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/injuries

People think playeres on their roster should never ever be injured. Sometimes I wonder if people who play this game have actually ever watched baseball.

Look at my Mets for example. It happens.

Bluenoser · 05-20-2017, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

lol there is not!! There's a lot of exaggeration going on in this thread

Really? I have a league where 2 - 3 teams are sold every season, and no I'm not exaggerating. I reported it during Beta but I guess it wasn't critical enough to look at, which I understand. Something like this wouldn't be high priority during Beta with bug fixes n what not, but it should have been addressed afterwards.

Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it's not happening to others. It's not an exaggeration.

jpeters1734 · 05-20-2017, 04:38 PM

If it only happens to you, is it a bug or a random occurrence?

'94 EXPOS · 05-20-2017, 06:03 PM

I am in season 7 of MLB quick start. One sale of team, one owner death. '17 was also always reasonable in my opinion.

This debate just proves how deep and we'll constructed the game is...not trying to disparage the original complaint...but if this is what we are arguing about we are in pretty good shape!

TheMaus2 · 05-20-2017, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

i often have to wait 35-40 years for bob nutting to die. dude won't go away

He drinks the tears of crippled orphans.

Bears5122 · 05-21-2017, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Lol please. I play on high and it's perfectly realistic. Some people simply have preconceived notions about injury frequencies. If you studied injury rates in real life you laugh too at how silly you sound

It's really not. Take a look at the number of position players that play 150+ games in your league. Take a look at the number that do so in MLB. Your league will have half as many.

Perhaps frequency is realistic, but duration is not.

Lukas Berger · 05-21-2017, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bears5122

It's really not. Take a look at the number of position players that play 150+ games in your league. Take a look at the number that do so in MLB. Your league will have half as many.

Perhaps frequency is realistic, but duration is not.

You're kind of picking an arbitrary endpoint number and reading a lot into it. That wasn't the case last patch when I tested that very thing.

Still, even if it is true now, it could have just as much to do with things other than injuries. Fatigue, how often the ai chooses to play backups etc

The frequency of injuries is certainly accurate, but whether the duration is accurate is a lot harder to get good info on and to test than frequency is. So maybe some adjustments are needed, it's possible but I don't think the amount of players that play 150 games is necessarily here or there when it comes to injuries.

Lukas Berger · 05-21-2017, 11:03 AM

Just looked up some old data on PA's for batters, not games but on the last patch:

In one sim I got 26 batters with over 700 Pa's as opposed to nine in 2016 irl.

I got 91 batters with over 600 Pa's as opposed to 89 irl 2016.

There were 163 over 500 Pa's and 147 irl 2016.

I got similar results in other sims.

So if anything position players were playing a teeny bit too much as of last patch.

Of course that may've changed with this patch, we can always check that out.

BBGiovanni · 05-21-2017, 03:34 PM

And yet retired players live forever! I have 64 teams in my league and started simming in 1870... they must hold the Hall of Fame induction in a stadium so all the 150 year old members can attend

Bears5122 · 05-21-2017, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

You're kind of picking an arbitrary endpoint number and reading a lot into it. That wasn't the case last patch when I tested that very thing.

Still, even if it is true now, it could have just as much to do with things other than injuries. Fatigue, how often the ai chooses to play backups etc

The frequency of injuries is certainly accurate, but whether the duration is accurate is a lot harder to get good info on and to test than frequency is. So maybe some adjustments are needed, it's possible but I don't think the amount of players that play 150 games is necessarily here or there when it comes to injuries.

Thanks for responding Lukas. I responded to you in the injuries thread as to not derail this one if that's ok.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...=278413&page=2

cardsfan05 · 05-22-2017, 12:25 PM

I also have been having an issue with the number of owner deaths and franchise sales. I ran a default modern day league twice with OOTP 18 and both times I have had at least 3-5 owner deaths and/or franchise sales within a season. People die and businesses get sold, but I can't remember any time that something like this happened within baseball in the same year. Sure, if you look at all 4 major sports there could be 5 franchise changes in a year, but not only within baseball. This feature does add an element of realism to the game, but the frequency of the events make it unrealistic and defeat the purpose.

Ty Cobb · 05-22-2017, 05:54 PM

How about we start an in-game owners dead pool? It could be an optional feature, and would serve almost as much purpose as the designated hitter.

<<Excuse me while I pull my tongue from my cheek>>

keeks · 05-23-2017, 11:42 AM

In April 2025 I have had 3 owner deaths and 11 sales of the team since starting my game as the 2017 quickstart. Theres been a sale every offseason, one had 3 sales. I think it needs to be lowered cause this is about the same in every game ive played for OOTP

rpriske · 05-23-2017, 01:24 PM

I have never had a team sale. Ever.

I have played a total of 30 seasons.

In that time I HAVE had owner deaths. Maybe 5.

This is a tempest in a teacup.

(Also, people who complain that there are too many injuries clearly do not follow actual baseball teams. There are lots. And with the creation of the 10-day list, expect there to be even more.)

tcblcommish · 05-23-2017, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rpriske

I have never had a team sale. Ever.

I have played a total of 30 seasons.

In that time I HAVE had owner deaths. Maybe 5.

This is a tempest in a teacup.

(Also, people who complain that there are too many injuries clearly do not follow actual baseball teams. There are lots. And with the creation of the 10-day list, expect there to be even more.)

In no way am I arguing it but why would there be more injuries because the DL is 10 days in stead of 5? Maybe more placed than before but thee amount shouldn't change

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05-21-2017, 11:03 AM	#33
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 19,901	Just looked up some old data on PA's for batters, not games but on the last patch: In one sim I got 26 batters with over 700 Pa's as opposed to nine in 2016 irl. I got 91 batters with over 600 Pa's as opposed to 89 irl 2016. There were 163 over 500 Pa's and 147 irl 2016. I got similar results in other sims. So if anything position players were playing a teeny bit too much as of last patch. Of course that may've changed with this patch, we can always check that out. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Order Out of the Park Baseball 25! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here Last edited by Lukas Berger; 05-21-2017 at 11:09 AM.

05-22-2017, 05:54 PM	#37
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,952 Blog Entries: 67	How about we start an in-game owners dead pool? It could be an optional feature, and would serve almost as much purpose as the designated hitter. <<Excuse me while I pull my tongue from my cheek>> __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

05-23-2017, 01:24 PM	#39
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 23,989 Blog Entries: 1	I have never had a team sale. Ever. I have played a total of 30 seasons. In that time I HAVE had owner deaths. Maybe 5. This is a tempest in a teacup. (Also, people who complain that there are too many injuries clearly do not follow actual baseball teams. There are lots. And with the creation of the 10-day list, expect there to be even more.) __________________ Rusty Priske Poet, Canadian, Baseball Fan ````````````````````````````````````````

05-19-2017, 10:15 PM	#22
Kronos Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Ky. Posts: 318	Owner deaths are high but so are team sales, take a look at the current MLB owners and how long they have had their teams, teams aren't sold that often, in game there is at least 1 sale per year.

05-20-2017, 06:03 PM	#29
'94 EXPOS Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 311	I am in season 7 of MLB quick start. One sale of team, one owner death. '17 was also always reasonable in my opinion. This debate just proves how deep and we'll constructed the game is...not trying to disparage the original complaint...but if this is what we are arguing about we are in pretty good shape!

05-21-2017, 03:34 PM	#34
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,850	And yet retired players live forever! I have 64 teams in my league and started simming in 1870... they must hold the Hall of Fame induction in a stadium so all the 150 year old members can attend

05-22-2017, 12:25 PM	#36
cardsfan05 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 43	I also have been having an issue with the number of owner deaths and franchise sales. I ran a default modern day league twice with OOTP 18 and both times I have had at least 3-5 owner deaths and/or franchise sales within a season. People die and businesses get sold, but I can't remember any time that something like this happened within baseball in the same year. Sure, if you look at all 4 major sports there could be 5 franchise changes in a year, but not only within baseball. This feature does add an element of realism to the game, but the frequency of the events make it unrealistic and defeat the purpose.

05-23-2017, 11:42 AM	#38
keeks Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 77	In April 2025 I have had 3 owner deaths and 11 sales of the team since starting my game as the 2017 quickstart. Theres been a sale every offseason, one had 3 sales. I think it needs to be lowered cause this is about the same in every game ive played for OOTP