injuries

r0nster · 05-17-2017, 08:40 PM

What can I do to limit the nonsensical injuries.

My point is I have injuries EVERY game for a stinking month. Is annoying to have trainer go out EVERY game to check up on players to say he can shake it off or take him out. I have tried it on various levels of injury. I like realistic injury setting but in real life they are not this bad. Never had it this bad before... Last patch I was getting 3 to 5 injuries per game now its not as serious so that's an improvement.
What I do to limit the damage is to goto commissioner mode and cut it down. Sometimes I will let it be a serious one and be 5 to 6 months on DL and sometimes I'm like shesh stop it and will make it a one day injury.
its now getting to the point where I am thinking of changing my normal injury level guys up a notch to minimize the level of injuries

Does anyone have any ideas ???? I like the injuries in the game. Just know I do like the old injuries system we had which worked good

Charley575 · 05-17-2017, 09:40 PM

I had injuries set to "normal" for awhile and it got to be like a M.A.S.H. unit so I had to turn it down. "Low" seems about right to me. The bad thing about the normal setting is it takes a season or two to really hit you. It started out as a lot of small DTD injuries and that seemed ok, but here's the thing; every time a player is injured they become more injury prone. So after a season or two, everybody is either Fragile or Wrecked and then it gets really bad. Half the team was on the 60 day DL.

Matt Arnold · 05-17-2017, 10:38 PM

Blue Jays would like to turn down injuries in real life too, as they currently still have more payroll on the DL than on the field. Injuries in real life really suck.

bly08 · 05-17-2017, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley575

I had injuries set to "normal" for awhile and it got to be like a M.A.S.H. unit so I had to turn it down. "Low" seems about right to me. The bad thing about the normal setting is it takes a season or two to really hit you. It started out as a lot of small DTD injuries and that seemed ok, but here's the thing; every time a player is injured they become more injury prone. So after a season or two, everybody is either Fragile or Wrecked and then it gets really bad. Half the team was on the 60 day DL.

I find this to be a problem as well. The snowball effect really kicks in after a few seasons. I don't know how accurate the current model is but players shouldn't necessarily become more injury prone after every injury, major or minor.

sreem · 05-17-2017, 11:42 PM

Although I am seeing an increase in DTD injuries, which IMO is much more realistic than previous versions, I can't say that I've seen more of the major injuries.
I always play with High-Realistic Modern Day setting for injuries.

BusterKing · 05-18-2017, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Blue Jays would like to turn down injuries in real life too, as they currently still have more payroll on the DL than on the field. Injuries in real life really suck.

grrrrr, tell me about it

Harmon Killebrew · 05-18-2017, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bly08

I don't know how accurate the current model is but players shouldn't necessarily become more injury prone after every injury, major or minor.

I second that.

r0nster · 05-18-2017, 08:15 AM

Finally got my first game in 2 game months no injuries. Not even a visit on field with trainer .... about stinking time. The 7 straight games again before going to bed

r0nster · 05-18-2017, 08:18 AM

Should note that the last game last night had 3 pitchers taken out for 6 months 8 months 12 months all from same game .... thankfully I built up my minors to cover the insane injuries rate

Charley575 · 05-18-2017, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Blue Jays would like to turn down injuries in real life too, as they currently still have more payroll on the DL than on the field. Injuries in real life really suck.

I get that. There will always be a handful of teams that get dealt a raw deal with injuries, but I was talking about a built-in runaway effect in the game.

hibees70 · 05-18-2017, 09:38 AM

Totally agree.Injuries are ridiculous.Five players injured over three days.

henry296 · 05-18-2017, 10:44 PM

If people have read my posts, I've been pushing for more injuries but I agree that is also out of control at least in the MLB quick start. Just finished simming 2017 and there are around 330 players on the injury list.

Yesterday, post-patch I started a historical 2016 league to test and there were about 170-180 players. The fact that the QS generates nearly 2x suggests an issue.

henry296 · 05-18-2017, 11:11 PM

Here is a good article on historical DL data. In 2016 players were placed on the DL 561 times or about 19 times per team and is increasing each year.

http://www.conteanalytics.com/blog/t...-disabled-list

Here is the number of players on the DL by month in that 2017 Quick start i referenced above.

April: 71
May: 102
June: 94
July: 81
August: 96
September: 102
October: 14

The total is 560.

Now maybe the length of the injuries is too long which is a little hard to measure in the game, but the frequency of injuries actual is realistic.

henry296 · 05-18-2017, 11:23 PM

In part 2 of that blog, they tracked the average injury length at 55 days and it has been constant over the last 19 years.

http://www.conteanalytics.com/blog/t...ed-list-part-2

henry296 · 05-18-2017, 11:55 PM

To follow-up... I just noticed that my injured player count included a number of minor leaguers who were put on the 60 day DL. Not sure that move is necessary but probably explains over 300 players on that report. They are not included in the DL placement count.

swoboda · 05-19-2017, 01:36 AM

I always play single season so I have little patience for too many players on the shelf or out for the season. as a result I also jump into commish mode and reduce the severity . Would be nice if that was a second option on injuries "limit severity to X days"

henry296 · 05-19-2017, 08:02 AM

I simmed ahead to 2027 and counted the DL placements. There were 603 that year, so about 7% more than in 2017. Maybe a little out of control, but not crazy relative to reality especially if the trend continues like it has in the past 10 years.

Lukas Berger · 05-19-2017, 10:02 AM

Yeah, we have this discussion every year

The fact is that we actually generate fewer injuries than in real life on the default settings to keep complaints like this down a bit.

It's just that lot of folks just don't realize just how many injuries there actually are in reality.

henry296 · 05-20-2017, 10:45 PM

I think it needs just a small tweak. Just simmed 2017 QS and there were only 40 position players who appeared in 150 games compared to 84 in real life 2016 and only 60 appeared in 140 compared to 124 in real life.

Lordofbrewtown · 05-20-2017, 11:09 PM

Maybe we need more options in the injuries settings?

My first impression is that injuries do seem worse to me. I play 78 game seasons with injuries set at very low (and edit the length to cut in half), and am half way through my first season using 18, and I have had about 2x as many season-ending injuries league wide as I've had in any season using16. I don't want to go injury free; but, would like the "very low" injury setting to be a bit lower (as I am running 32 team historical league starting in 77, so rosters are lean/not a lot of free agent options).

Also, I can see what is meant by the injury history. I've had to put Dennis Leonard on the DL for the 3rd time already. Seems like once he got that first one, now he's screwed.

I'd like to see either a "Rare" setting, or the "Very Low" setting having it's quantity of injuries cut by 1/3 to 1/2

05-17-2017, 08:40 PM	#1
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	injuries What can I do to limit the nonsensical injuries. My point is I have injuries EVERY game for a stinking month. Is annoying to have trainer go out EVERY game to check up on players to say he can shake it off or take him out. I have tried it on various levels of injury. I like realistic injury setting but in real life they are not this bad. Never had it this bad before... Last patch I was getting 3 to 5 injuries per game now its not as serious so that's an improvement. What I do to limit the damage is to goto commissioner mode and cut it down. Sometimes I will let it be a serious one and be 5 to 6 months on DL and sometimes I'm like shesh stop it and will make it a one day injury. its now getting to the point where I am thinking of changing my normal injury level guys up a notch to minimize the level of injuries Does anyone have any ideas ???? I like the injuries in the game. Just know I do like the old injuries system we had which worked good

05-17-2017, 11:42 PM	#5
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	Although I am seeing an increase in DTD injuries, which IMO is much more realistic than previous versions, I can't say that I've seen more of the major injuries. I always play with High-Realistic Modern Day setting for injuries. __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

05-18-2017, 10:44 PM	#12
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	If people have read my posts, I've been pushing for more injuries but I agree that is also out of control at least in the MLB quick start. Just finished simming 2017 and there are around 330 players on the injury list. Yesterday, post-patch I started a historical 2016 league to test and there were about 170-180 players. The fact that the QS generates nearly 2x suggests an issue. Last edited by henry296; 05-18-2017 at 10:49 PM. Reason: typo

05-19-2017, 01:36 AM	#16
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,205	I always play single season so I have little patience for too many players on the shelf or out for the season. as a result I also jump into commish mode and reduce the severity . Would be nice if that was a second option on injuries "limit severity to X days" __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

05-19-2017, 10:02 AM	#18
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 19,901	Yeah, we have this discussion every year The fact is that we actually generate fewer injuries than in real life on the default settings to keep complaints like this down a bit. It's just that lot of folks just don't realize just how many injuries there actually are in reality. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Order Out of the Park Baseball 25! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

05-17-2017, 09:40 PM	#2
Charley575 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 541	I had injuries set to "normal" for awhile and it got to be like a M.A.S.H. unit so I had to turn it down. "Low" seems about right to me. The bad thing about the normal setting is it takes a season or two to really hit you. It started out as a lot of small DTD injuries and that seemed ok, but here's the thing; every time a player is injured they become more injury prone. So after a season or two, everybody is either Fragile or Wrecked and then it gets really bad. Half the team was on the 60 day DL.

05-17-2017, 10:38 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,145	Blue Jays would like to turn down injuries in real life too, as they currently still have more payroll on the DL than on the field. Injuries in real life really suck.

05-18-2017, 08:15 AM	#8
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	Finally got my first game in 2 game months no injuries. Not even a visit on field with trainer .... about stinking time. The 7 straight games again before going to bed

05-18-2017, 08:18 AM	#9
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	Should note that the last game last night had 3 pitchers taken out for 6 months 8 months 12 months all from same game .... thankfully I built up my minors to cover the insane injuries rate

05-18-2017, 09:38 AM	#11
hibees70 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Edinburgh,Scotland Posts: 47	Totally agree.Injuries are ridiculous.Five players injured over three days.

05-18-2017, 11:11 PM	#13
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	Here is a good article on historical DL data. In 2016 players were placed on the DL 561 times or about 19 times per team and is increasing each year. http://www.conteanalytics.com/blog/t...-disabled-list Here is the number of players on the DL by month in that 2017 Quick start i referenced above. April: 71 May: 102 June: 94 July: 81 August: 96 September: 102 October: 14 The total is 560. Now maybe the length of the injuries is too long which is a little hard to measure in the game, but the frequency of injuries actual is realistic.

05-18-2017, 11:23 PM	#14
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	In part 2 of that blog, they tracked the average injury length at 55 days and it has been constant over the last 19 years. http://www.conteanalytics.com/blog/t...ed-list-part-2

05-18-2017, 11:55 PM	#15
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	To follow-up... I just noticed that my injured player count included a number of minor leaguers who were put on the 60 day DL. Not sure that move is necessary but probably explains over 300 players on that report. They are not included in the DL placement count.

05-19-2017, 08:02 AM	#17
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	I simmed ahead to 2027 and counted the DL placements. There were 603 that year, so about 7% more than in 2017. Maybe a little out of control, but not crazy relative to reality especially if the trend continues like it has in the past 10 years.

05-20-2017, 10:45 PM	#19
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	I think it needs just a small tweak. Just simmed 2017 QS and there were only 40 position players who appeared in 150 games compared to 84 in real life 2016 and only 60 appeared in 140 compared to 124 in real life.

05-20-2017, 11:09 PM	#20
Lordofbrewtown Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: St Petersburg, FL Posts: 275	Maybe we need more options in the injuries settings? My first impression is that injuries do seem worse to me. I play 78 game seasons with injuries set at very low (and edit the length to cut in half), and am half way through my first season using 18, and I have had about 2x as many season-ending injuries league wide as I've had in any season using16. I don't want to go injury free; but, would like the "very low" injury setting to be a bit lower (as I am running 32 team historical league starting in 77, so rosters are lean/not a lot of free agent options). Also, I can see what is meant by the injury history. I've had to put Dennis Leonard on the DL for the 3rd time already. Seems like once he got that first one, now he's screwed. I'd like to see either a "Rare" setting, or the "Very Low" setting having it's quantity of injuries cut by 1/3 to 1/2