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... and Cora has been canned ('parted ways')
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And if you don’t punish the owner more, then there is no deterrent for owners to do anything in the future and can maintain their ‘plausible deniability’. If the NBA can take an ownership away because of racist comments that weren’t illegal and not against any rule in particular other than the don’t make us look bad rule, then MLB can surely find a more severe punishment for an owner who was either too blind to see what his team was doing or knew completely what they were doing and covered his tracks really well.
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Okay this has been pushed back to 2017 for the Astros and there was an issue with the Red Sox in I think 2017 being REPORTED to MLB by the Yankees for using Tech. to steal signs ..
A little bit of comment about that situation -- The MLB investigation found the Red Sox would have an off-field person watching a camera feed of the catcher. He would then contact the dug-out via the Apple Watch, and that signal would be passed on from the dug-out to the batter. **** Is this why Alex Cora was hired from the Astros by the Red Sox -- so they could cover it up better . ------- By the way Manager Alex Cora and Red Sox's have mutually parted ways . Does this mean they want the investigation to please stop ?
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I have a hard time thinking clear evidence or a player's active involvement would be seriously disputed by the union. They'd move on to try to negotiate a minimal penalty. I don't see this as being something that drags on for years.
As it is now with NO player being punished, EVERY Astros player is tainted by the scandal. That is hugely unfair for something that while maybe all the players knew about perhaps only a few actively participated in. It isn't just about punishing the guilty. Its about clearing those against who there is insufficient or no evidence which can only be done by identifying the clearly guilty. I think MLB could effectively present this to the union and show that while the union must give the best possible defense to the guilty it must also clear the innocent. |
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And now Logan Morrison all over the press saying Yankees and Dodgers also cheating via sign stealing.
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With these kind of scandals I always figure it's more likely that lots of teams were doing it, and the scandal team just got caught
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It is hard to call someone pedantic when I was flat out wrong! Lol.
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I think Cora got what he deserved.
I take no pleasure in any man's demise but I cannot help to feel some satisfaction in this. Cora was the instigator and facilitator of this mess and he deserves his punishment. I disagree with anybody in this thread who thinks such punishment that has been meted out so far, either by MLB or by teams, is excessive. A clear signal is finally being sent that cheating is NOT right and is NOT excusable. As in the steroid crisis, the integrity of the game is at stake. Otherwise it becomes a carnival con game. Now, what about Carlos Beltran? "Carlos Beltran was the only player singled out in Major League Baseball’s exhaustive report involving the Astros’ sign-stealing scandal, but the new Mets manager avoided punishment." Why is that? A better question is, will the Mets follow the example of the Red Sox? EDIT: Upon further reading, I see that it was Beltran who was the instigator while Cora was the facilitator, correcting what I said above. All the more reason, especially since Beltran lied about it on top of everything else.
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The answer would be no, he should not be disqualified from such recognition on the basis of this incident because he did not personally benefit from it over a significant span of his career. Same goes for any other Astros or Red Sox players. That's as far as I can go toward meeting any cheating excusers. That is, in overlooking a moral flaw that allows players to cheat the game and their fellow players. Believe me, that is a stretch for me. Anybody who thinks that is anachronistic preaching should put themselves in the shoes of the pitchers who would hear garbage can banging every time they threw a breaking ball.
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A strong possibility that the players were offered immunity for information.
It was players who first brought this to light. And unlike criminal trials where the prosecution's goal isn't to prevent crimes but is to convict someone, MLB is more concerned with trying to prevent this from happening in the future than it is in trying to satisfy the mob with their pitchforks. So, it makes sense to offer all the players immunity instead of getting some to rat out others. |
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As of now, I would say no to the HOF for the hitters. The pitchers, I'm not sure how the cheating would have affected their performance on the field. If someone had more info for me I would listen and factor that in. But if we knew they were banging the can to help the batters out, then no.
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The only Hall of Fame impact I expect to see from this would be an extended waiting period for these players to get voted in. I can easily see first ballot Hall of Famers waiting the max time. I don't see this impacting them eventually getting in like what the PED users are going through.
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This just in. Rumors of Altuve hiding electronic vibrating devices under his uniform!!
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