Home | Webstore
Latest News: OOTP 25 Available - FHM 10 Available - OOTP Go! Available

Out of the Park Baseball 25 Buy Now!

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Prior Versions of Our Games > Out of the Park Baseball 19 > OOTP 19 - Technical Support > Bug Reports Forum

Bug Reports Forum Have a bug to report? Please post here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-19-2018, 04:32 PM   #41
DB930
Major Leagues
 
DB930's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 302
I became a bit of an *** fan last year--specifically the Hanshin Tigers--and a couple of things about the Tigers' roster jumped out at me.

- Ryutaro Umeno. Even with scouting turned off he's a 1.5-star player, and a good enough hitter that the AI slots him into the #7 spot ahead of Yusuke O(h)yama. Umeno is a .201 lifetime hitter (.557 career OPS), so to project .225 with 17 HRs in a major-league environment (his numbers when I opened the editor) might be... optimistic.

- Takumi Akiyama was solidly the #2 starter last season. Granted, it was a "breakout year" and something he'd never done before, but he's only 26, and having his current ratings so low that he can't even crack the ni-gun (minor league) team's rotation is something I think should be looked at.

- Also, Randy Messenger might be 36, but he's still one of the best half-dozen pitchers in the ***; his ratings might be a little low, but not to the point where I'd complain (much) about it. And Kosuke Baba was the team's #1 pick last year and still hasn't thrown a professional pitch yet, so it's impossible to know whether his Current ratings are too high right now or not, but I was definitely surprised to see him in the #1 spot and Messenger #2.
DB930 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:35 PM   #42
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by DB930 View Post
I became a bit of an *** fan last year--specifically the Hanshin Tigers--and a couple of things about the Tigers' roster jumped out at me.

- Ryutaro Umeno. Even with scouting turned off he's a 1.5-star player, and a good enough hitter that the AI slots him into the #7 spot ahead of Yusuke O(h)yama. Umeno is a .201 lifetime hitter (.557 career OPS), so to project .225 with 17 HRs in a major-league environment (his numbers when I opened the editor) might be... optimistic.

- Takumi Akiyama was solidly the #2 starter last season. Granted, it was a "breakout year" and something he'd never done before, but he's only 26, and having his current ratings so low that he can't even crack the ni-gun (minor league) team's rotation is something I think should be looked at.

- Also, Randy Messenger might be 36, but he's still one of the best half-dozen pitchers in the ***; his ratings might be a little low, but not to the point where I'd complain (much) about it. And Kosuke Baba was the team's #1 pick last year and still hasn't thrown a professional pitch yet, so it's impossible to know whether his Current ratings are too high right now or not, but I was definitely surprised to see him in the #1 spot and Messenger #2.
*** still needs a lot of work at the moment It's fairly high on my to-do list.
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

Last edited by Lukas Berger; 03-19-2018 at 04:41 PM.
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:36 PM   #43
itsmb8
All Star Starter
 
itsmb8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,313
Just got home from work, cant wait to get it downloaded!!
itsmb8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:38 PM   #44
hjrrockies
Minors (Single A)
 
hjrrockies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukas Berger View Post
The league totals being short would be a League Total modifier issue as you note. The difference between the starters and RP's comes down to individual ratings though most likely and that might be ZIPS/player ratings related. I can probably fix that but it'll take some time.
I imagine it would.

I have sort of tried to reverse engineer the correspondence between Stuff/Control ratings and strikeout and walk rates. I'm sort of curious what you're using to generate the ratings from ZiPS projections. What I noticed in my model was that a "50 Stuff" for a starting pitcher resulted in a 19.0% strikeout rate, on average, but a "50 Stuff" for a reliever resulted in a 23.0% strikeout rate, on average. I don't think this is a problem, since an average reliever does strikeout more batters than an average starting pitcher, but I kind of wonder if that's accounted for in your ratings generation scheme? It would explain the discrepancy, possibly.

For example, Cody Allen has an 80 Stuff in the 2018 rosters. In my model, that predicts him for a K/9 around 12.90, despite his ZiPS being for 11.22.

Last edited by hjrrockies; 03-19-2018 at 04:41 PM.
hjrrockies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:39 PM   #45
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by hjrrockies View Post
I imagine it would.

I have sort of tried to reverse engineer the correspondence between Stuff/Control ratings and strikeout and walk rates. I'm sort of curious what you're using to generate the ratings from ZiPS projections. What I noticed in my model was that a "50 Stuff" for a starting pitcher resulted in a 19.0% strikeout rate, on average, but a "50 Stuff" for a reliever resulted in a 23.0% strikeout rate, on average. I don't think this is a problem, since an average reliever does strikeout more batters than an average starting pitcher, but I kind of wonder if that's accounted for in your ratings generation scheme? It would explain the discrepancy, possibly.
I don't even know honestly. Markus imports the projections and the game converts them to ratings them automatically. They're spot on for batters and pretty much never need to be tweaked, but they're always a bit off for pitchers, in different ways each year
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:39 PM   #46
jeffw3000
Minors (Triple A)
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 296
Some things with the Pittsburgh Pirates:

Tyler Gaffney is retired in OOTP, but he has returned to the Pirates to resume his baseball career after being released by the Patriots.

Daniel Nava had back surgery, and is out 10-12 weeks.

Mitchell Tolman suspended 50 games
Montana DuRapau suspended 50 games

Pirates signed Connor MacDonald, considering making him a pitcher.
jeffw3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:42 PM   #47
hjrrockies
Minors (Single A)
 
hjrrockies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukas Berger View Post
I don't even know honestly. Markus imports the projections and the game converts them to ratings them automatically. They're spot on for batters and pretty much never need to be tweaked, but they're always a bit off for pitchers, in different ways each year
Yea the batter ratings always look great, overall. I hope Markus has a chance to chime in later. I still feel bad for straining at a gnat, but I figure it's worth looking into for the realism =).
hjrrockies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:43 PM   #48
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by hjrrockies View Post
Yea the batter ratings always look great, overall. I hope Markus has a chance to chime in later. I still feel bad for straining at a gnat, but I figure it's worth looking into for the realism =).
I think the issue might have to do with the fact that we calculate GB% differently than other places do and our higher GB% changes the movement ratings (and thus the stuff as well) and throws everything off a bit.
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:45 PM   #49
t-bone shuffle
All Star Reserve
 
t-bone shuffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The dull edge of the blade
Posts: 867
Jon Singleton

Is showing on the HOU 40 man roster...he hasn't been for some time now. Cleared waivers in 2017. Still owed on contract from years ago, which looks correct.

He's Fresno only, no Spring '18 AJ's.
t-bone shuffle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:46 PM   #50
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by t-bone shuffle View Post
Is showing on the HOU 40 man roster...he hasn't been for some time now. Cleared waivers in 2017. Still owed on contract from years ago, which looks correct.

He's Fresno only, no Spring '18 AJ's.
The ai is always going to put a guy with sort of contract on the 40-man roster. There's nothing we can do to prevent that, unfortunately.
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:48 PM   #51
hjrrockies
Minors (Single A)
 
hjrrockies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 71
Just throwing more data out there, since I'm collecting it:

In my sim, 28 relievers (> 50 IP) finished with a K/9 of 12 or above. In real-life 2017, just 15 relievers matched those numbers.
hjrrockies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:55 PM   #52
hjrrockies
Minors (Single A)
 
hjrrockies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukas Berger View Post
I think the issue might have to do with the fact that we calculate GB% differently than other places do and our higher GB% changes the movement ratings (and thus the stuff as well) and throws everything off a bit.
You would definitely know better than me on this.

I would be really curious to know what the ZiPS-to-ratings conversion is doing to split on starters-vs-relievers. Honestly, I think that could explain the bulk of it. If the ratings generation is treating Stuff values as "equivalent" between starters and relievers, then it's going to give starters too low of stuff and relievers too high.
hjrrockies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:55 PM   #53
Llamaboy
Minors (Rookie Ball)
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 38
Blog Entries: 1
Some Phillies related issues: Will Middlebrooks broke his leg in spring training, no injury is listed for him in the game. Tommy Joseph was claimed by the Rangers today. Hoby Milner is a side-armer.
Llamaboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 04:57 PM   #54
t-bone shuffle
All Star Reserve
 
t-bone shuffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The dull edge of the blade
Posts: 867
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukas Berger View Post
The ai is always going to put a guy with sort of contract on the 40-man roster. There's nothing we can do to prevent that, unfortunately.
Thanks, I figured as much. I'm not seeing a way to edit his status manually. Am I missing something?
t-bone shuffle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 05:06 PM   #55
Aaron's Aron
Minors (Single A)
 
Aaron's Aron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 70
More a question than an issue: Are ratings generally lower this year (MLB and minor league)? Also, are prospect ratings complete, because it seems like a lot of them for many teams are lower than I expected? This is mainly with regard to potential, as the current ability for most players seems fine. However, if ratings are lower in general this year then that would explain the prospect thing. Maybe I'm just imagining all this, but I wanted to ask to be sure. Thanks!

Last edited by Aaron's Aron; 03-19-2018 at 05:08 PM.
Aaron's Aron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 05:13 PM   #56
azepeda
Minors (Double A)
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 151
Dominican League/Astros

They are missing their 2nd DSL team, only one is listed
azepeda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 05:25 PM   #57
Nightwing
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 7
Adam Jones

Jones current contract expires after the 2018 season, but in game it expires after the 2019 season.
Nightwing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 05:26 PM   #58
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron's Aron View Post
More a question than an issue: Are ratings generally lower this year (MLB and minor league)? Also, are prospect ratings complete, because it seems like a lot of them for many teams are lower than I expected? This is mainly with regard to potential, as the current ability for most players seems fine. However, if ratings are lower in general this year then that would explain the prospect thing. Maybe I'm just imagining all this, but I wanted to ask to be sure. Thanks!
Yes to both questions. Good eye!

We had some ratings inflation creep into the set in previous years which caused some issues in longer term sims and just wasn't all that accurate. So we've done a lot of work to fix that this year.

Now the potential ratings (when using relative ratings by 5's) should correlate pretty well with what you see from places like MLB Pipeline, fangraphs etc.

So you might need to adjust your expectations on what ratings are good and bad now but things should overall be better and more accurate and realistic now than in previous years.
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 05:26 PM   #59
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by azepeda View Post
They are missing their 2nd DSL team, only one is listed
Pretty sure they dropped their 2nd DSL team for 2018.
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2018, 05:27 PM   #60
Lukas Berger
OOTP Developments
 
Lukas Berger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France
Posts: 19,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by t-bone shuffle View Post
Thanks, I figured as much. I'm not seeing a way to edit his status manually. Am I missing something?
If you turn on commish mode and act as the Astros you can dfa and waive him.
__________________

lukas@ootpdevelopments.com

Order Out of the Park Baseball 25!

Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here
Lukas Berger is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:16 PM.

 

Major League and Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of Major League Baseball. Visit MLB.com and MiLB.com.

Officially Licensed Product – MLB Players, Inc.

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2023 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2020 Out of the Park Developments