OOTP vs. FM Revisited - Page 7

Silent_Thunder · 10-17-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

One of my friends plays Skyrim on a PS3 and a big screen TV. I play it on Steam on my Win 8 i7 laptop PC (with a dedicated graphics card). He came over and was floored by how much better the graphics were on my laptop. When I showed all the mods I had added to the game from Nexus and from the Steam Workshop and how much better and more visually appealing they made the game, he suddenly decided to buy a PC.

The one thing PS3 had over PC is The Show. Well ok, actually it has a a bunch of good exclusives, (Plus a few cross platforms run into... balance issues when M+KB is in play, for instance GTA V is probably going to be kinda not fun to play on PC, the MP at least I mean, because GTA has always had a very short Time-To-Kill, and then add mouse precision. Lets just say driving anywhere near people in GTAIV was asking to be shot to death in passing, I can't imagine how bad it will be now that all of that is persistant. Least on PS3 I can go into No-Aim-Assist lobbies and the controller's lack of precision actually HELPS that kinda game, tbh) plus the fact its a Blu-Ray player helps it out quite a bunch (If HD-DVD had won out we'd be saying that about the 360 instead though) Maybe if we're magically lucky Sony will port it to PC now that the multiplatform embargo is gone after 2k gave up on the contract.

A man can dream right?

themonk · 10-17-2013, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizzo

You have to truly appreciate a great product when you realize that the entire staff can probably be counted on just two hands. Big props to Markus and the crew for putting together an amazing product and continuously giving the people what they want. My first sim gaming experience was from Wolverine Studios. i love their games, but the community communication between Gary and the public is non-existent. I come over here and the staff is constantly out here talking to their customers about what needs to be fixed. I love it!

Yes, OOTP is indeed a great product. As a former software developer, I'm amazed how Markus could create such a complex piece of software almost all by himself. I could imagine that he has now written hundreds of thousands of lines of code just to create OOTP!

I love Wolverine Studios's games, too, especially Total Pro Golf, Draft Day Sports: Pro Basketball, and Puresim Baseball (before Gary Gorski, the President of Wolverine Studios, and Shaun Sullivan, the developer of Puresim Baseball had a falling out). It's just a pity that Gary Gorski is not as as active in communicating with his customers, especially regarding some issues with Wolverine Studios's games...

Rizzo · 10-17-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

One of my friends plays Skyrim on a PS3 and a big screen TV. I play it on Steam on my Win 8 i7 laptop PC (with a dedicated graphics card). He came over and was floored by how much better the graphics were on my laptop. When I showed all the mods I had added to the game from Nexus and from the Steam Workshop and how much better and more visually appealing they made the game, he suddenly decided to buy a PC.

Same with me and my friend. He got Skyrim on his PS3 and then a couple months later he turned to PC gaming. He said he couldn't justify starting over his Skyrim game so he never got it for PC but the mods are insane on the PC.

The Wolf · 10-17-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizzo

Same with me and my friend. He got Skyrim on his PS3 and then a couple months later he turned to PC gaming. He said he couldn't justify starting over his Skyrim game so he never got it for PC but the mods are insane on the PC.

Insane is the right word. Some of that stuff on Nexus...well, frankly, they make every OOTP mod combined look insignificant. The graphics mods, the lighting mods, the foliage mods...it's all just staggering.

The Wolf · 10-17-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by themonk

Yes, OOTP is indeed a great product. As a former software developer, I'm amazed how Markus could create such a complex piece of software almost all by himself. I could imagine that he has now written hundreds of thousands of lines of code just to create OOTP!

I love Wolverine Studios's games, too, especially Total Pro Golf, Draft Day Sports: Pro Basketball, and Puresim Baseball (before Gary Gorski, the President of Wolverine Studios, and Gary Sullivan, the developer of Puresim Baseball had a falling out). It's just a pity that Gary Sullivan is not as as active in communicating with his customers, especially regarding some issues with Wolverine Studios's games...

Wolverine Sports makes me crazy with their failure to support hi-res monitors. I went to buy one of their games and the max resolution was 1024x768! I'd like to buy their games but someone needs to tell them about modern graphics. We're lucky that OOTP is so much smarter about that.

Giants44 · 10-17-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Wolverine Sports makes me crazy with their failure to support hi-res monitors. I went to buy one of their games and the max resolution was 1024x768! I'd like to buy their games but someone needs to tell them about modern graphics. We're lucky that OOTP is so much smarter about that.

I have been beating that dead horse on their forums for years. I am completely dismayed about how little they have advanced into a modern era. they have some good ideas and we could use some good competition in the sports sim market. but the graphics thing and the its coming but never released football game just sour me on the whole company.

The Wolf · 10-17-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

I have been beating that dead horse on their forums for years. I am completely dismayed about how little they have advanced into a modern era. they have some good ideas and we could use some good competition in the sports sim market. but the graphics thing and the its coming but never released football game just sour me on the whole company.

Why is it a dead horse? Are they living in 1999?

Rizzo · 10-18-2013, 09:27 AM

Just purchased the FM14 beta. This will either be the best game of my life or the downfall to my social life...or both...

themonk · 10-18-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizzo

Just purchased the FM14 beta. This will either be the best game of my life or the downfall to my social life...or both...

Not a problem for me. I no longer have a social life to speak of since I've been playing text sims, especially OOTP..

The Wolf · 10-18-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by themonk

Not a problem for me. I no longer have a social life to speak of since I've been playing text sims, especially OOTP..

Have one or need one?

themonk · 10-18-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Have one or need one?

Nah. The wifey will not like this. She shouldn't see this...

MUFC1878 · 10-18-2013, 12:56 PM

After finally playing enough FM13, I'd rate both games 10 out of 10. Both are brilliant, with some flaws. I still think FM is much easier, doesn't matter how low the division you start in. It is still much fun and I wished I had more time to play it. It seems the tactics this year are less plug n pay than usual. I usually try to play using Utd's tactics, but the match engine can't reproduce stale unimaginative passing. And there are so many bugs: Valencia uses his left too much. Clev actually passes forward. Jones can cross. Rio doesn't hoof it. Ando lasts a whole match. But at least I can sell Rooney and re-buy Robbie Brady.

But seriously, If I had to pick one, I'd choose OOTP for its customization and fictional play. But really, I could both game for hours. Bit pointless trying to compare them, at least for me. If you like both sports, buy both games.

The Wolf · 10-18-2013, 02:18 PM

I must agree. IMO every good sports gamer should own and play both.

themonk · 10-18-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MUFC1878

After finally playing enough FM13, I'd rate both games 10 out of 10. Both are brilliant, with some flaws. I still think FM is much easier, doesn't matter how low the division you start in. It is still much fun and I wished I had more time to play it. It seems the tactics this year are less plug n pay than usual. I usually try to play using Utd's tactics, but the match engine can't reproduce stale unimaginative passing. And there are so many bugs: Valencia uses his left too much. Clev actually passes forward. Jones can cross. Rio doesn't hoof it. Ando lasts a whole match. But at least I can sell Rooney and re-buy Robbie Brady.

But seriously, If I had to pick one, I'd choose OOTP for its customization and fictional play. But really, I could both game for hours. Bit pointless trying to compare them, at least for me. If you like both sports, buy both games.

Same here. Love OOTP's fictional play (I play fictional all the way, basing my league on a fictional country with customized rules), flexibility and customizability. But also dying to get FM after reading this thread. However, have to replace first my old but trusty 7-year-old laptop with a new one. I don't think FM will run on my old laptop...

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm clueless when it comes to soccer so FM would never be my cup of tea. I do have a question about it though. Does anyone play it simply for the love of the game soccer, or is strictly a management sim? The beauty of OOTP is the fact that the game of baseball is still it's number one focus. If one doesn't want to be the next Dave Dombrowski they can still get wrapped up in all the great numbers and memories the game creates.

I'm not a real Football fan. I don't even support a team. But I've played FM since before it was even called FM and only skipped a couple of years where the latest version doesn't seem to be much of an improvement. Here in the UK football (soccer) is everywhere. League games play in most pubs/bars everywhere you go. If you talk to someone who plays computer games (not to be confused with console trash) who are watching a game in a pub the chances that they play, or have played, FM are high. Some play it because they are die-hard fans of a certain team they love to manage. Others, like myself, are more into FM than football itself. I'm pretty sure it's much the same with OOTP. (of course if you are a fan of the rl game you are more likely to want to play the sim). The problem I'm having with OOTP is "not having a clue". The terms of baseball are more stylised and technical than those in football. Everyone knows what a pass is, everyone knows what a shot at goal is, 99% of people know what a penalty is (even if they don't understand why it was given). I have no idea what a change up is, no idea what a bunt is, no idea what a pinch is, no idea what 99% of these things mean. Until I make a conscious effort to educate myself on all these things OOTP is completely unplayable for me (whereas American Football management games are comparatively easy to understand). I think this is the key difference between the two games as computer games.

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 10:25 AM

Incidentally, Don't believe the posters saying "this years improvements seem more significant" or anything like that. FM2014 is FM2013 with a useless tactics editor and some minor tweeks added. There has been no REAL change to the game since FM 2009 other than that SI finally realised their long-term goal of implementing better player and press interaction with FM2013. Ignore the list of "new features", they are almost always just hyperbole...and the yearly "improved match engine" is a joke that doesn't alter the game one bit. This said, all sports management games suffer from this criticism because it is mostly true of all of them. With few exceptions (when an ACTUAL advancement is made in a specific year), these kinds of game tend to slowly degenerate into team updates as the devs run out of ideas that make a concrete difference to their games.

Lukas Berger · 10-21-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMuse

There has been no REAL change to the game since FM 2009

So you don't consider 3d graphics to be a REAL change?

You're a little tough to impress

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 10:33 AM

Despite the fact that I can't play it. I disagree with those who say FM is more detailed. The text sections such as the play-by-play and the way news items are printed are FAR more descriptive in OOTP and the historical options, and the facts and quotations that pop up during calculations, lend a far richer insight into the game of baseball than anything FM has.

MrMuse · 10-21-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

So you don't consider 3d graphics to be a REAL change?

You're a little tough to impress

LMAO seriously? "3D match engine" was stolen from a game called International Soccer Manager way back in 1999. Before then football management games used either descriptive text only (such as championship manager (which is now football manager) dots with numbers on to simulate a top-down view was a major advancement on that))Since then the only improvements have been minor improvements on the way players look and move. Besides which, I don't call a few tiny pixel characters blobbing around a green square a 3D Match Engine. Make the match engine something like the FIFA games and you might have a point. Grab a copy of FM2009, grab a copy of FM2014, play them both - you will see the engine show a couple of player animations more in the newer version. Does it really have any effect on your enjoyment of the game? Nope, not one bit. And that's FIVE years right there.

*edit* In fact, the only reason I bought OOTP is because I'm tired of paying for essentially the same game over and over. It's like paying £35/year for a patch.

Rizzo · 10-21-2013, 10:53 AM

Just gave this game my first night and must say I love it! Spent two and a half hours last night setting up my New England Revolution team and in that time only got to two friendlies. I haven't had a game where I can just tinker around with my team and not play many games like FM14 did to me last night.

View Poll Results: Which does the better job of putting you in the manager's chair?, which has the better all around AI
OOTP 14	67	54.47%
Football Manager 2013	56	45.53%
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10-21-2013, 10:25 AM	#136
MrMuse Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 116	Incidentally, Don't believe the posters saying "this years improvements seem more significant" or anything like that. FM2014 is FM2013 with a useless tactics editor and some minor tweeks added. There has been no REAL change to the game since FM 2009 other than that SI finally realised their long-term goal of implementing better player and press interaction with FM2013. Ignore the list of "new features", they are almost always just hyperbole...and the yearly "improved match engine" is a joke that doesn't alter the game one bit. This said, all sports management games suffer from this criticism because it is mostly true of all of them. With few exceptions (when an ACTUAL advancement is made in a specific year), these kinds of game tend to slowly degenerate into team updates as the devs run out of ideas that make a concrete difference to their games. Last edited by MrMuse; 10-21-2013 at 10:29 AM.

10-18-2013, 09:27 AM	#128
Rizzo Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 254	Just purchased the FM14 beta. This will either be the best game of my life or the downfall to my social life...or both...

10-18-2013, 12:56 PM	#132
MUFC1878 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Venezuela Posts: 621	After finally playing enough FM13, I'd rate both games 10 out of 10. Both are brilliant, with some flaws. I still think FM is much easier, doesn't matter how low the division you start in. It is still much fun and I wished I had more time to play it. It seems the tactics this year are less plug n pay than usual. I usually try to play using Utd's tactics, but the match engine can't reproduce stale unimaginative passing. And there are so many bugs: Valencia uses his left too much. Clev actually passes forward. Jones can cross. Rio doesn't hoof it. Ando lasts a whole match. But at least I can sell Rooney and re-buy Robbie Brady. But seriously, If I had to pick one, I'd choose OOTP for its customization and fictional play. But really, I could both game for hours. Bit pointless trying to compare them, at least for me. If you like both sports, buy both games.

10-21-2013, 10:33 AM	#138
MrMuse Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 116	Despite the fact that I can't play it. I disagree with those who say FM is more detailed. The text sections such as the play-by-play and the way news items are printed are FAR more descriptive in OOTP and the historical options, and the facts and quotations that pop up during calculations, lend a far richer insight into the game of baseball than anything FM has.

10-21-2013, 10:53 AM	#140
Rizzo Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 254	Just gave this game my first night and must say I love it! Spent two and a half hours last night setting up my New England Revolution team and in that time only got to two friendlies. I haven't had a game where I can just tinker around with my team and not play many games like FM14 did to me last night.