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OOTP 15 - General Discussions Discuss the new 2014 version of Out of the Park Baseball here! |
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05-18-2014, 08:22 PM | #1 |
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Bullpen rules?
Hey, a couple questions about how the game handles warming up.
If my pitcher gets hurt and I have insert a reliever, does he come in already in "Ready" status? What about after a rain delay when your pitcher is pretty much automatically at "exhausted?" I don't want to leave him in, but can't warm a guy up fast enough. In the real situation, a different guy would start loosening right when the tarp comes up. What about the AI controlled team? Same rules? Sometimes they bring in 3 new guys back to back after a delay, in which there's no way they could be ready, with only 2 bullpen spots. Thanks! |
05-19-2014, 01:07 AM | #2 |
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Couple of things...the AI doesn't actually "use" the warmup feature. Their pitchers will always come in as "ready".
YOUR pitchers, after an injury or rain delay, will come in as "cold" because they didn't warm up in the bullpen. Flawed system, I know. This is why I disable the warmup feature, because it is nothing but a major disadvantage to the human-controlled team. |
05-20-2014, 12:02 AM | #3 |
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I always knew the computer was cheating me...
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05-22-2014, 07:47 PM | #4 | |
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05-22-2014, 11:25 PM | #5 |
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Not warming relievers up is a game breaker? Seems like a trivial thing for a game breaker but to each their own. I turn off that feature as well
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05-22-2014, 11:39 PM | #6 | |
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In all my years of watching baseball, I've only ever really seen a major league manager mishandle warming guys up twice, and once was because of a phone malfunction. Having the CPU be able to screw up on something that is essentially so trivial would just make the AI even easier to beat. To each his own, though.
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05-22-2014, 11:46 PM | #7 | |
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05-23-2014, 09:15 AM | #8 |
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It's just the way I prefer to play. After doing all front office/GM type things for all 30 teams, all in-game strategy is all A.I. I am just a spectator keeping a scorecard. As a game goes into its later innings, as starters tire, the drama increases as the bullpens become the focal point. When I played OOTP13, this was not emphasized. There was no reference to bullpen activity and no visual bullpen to refer to. Relievers just popped into the game off the bench. To me, that did not simulate what happens in a MLB baseball game. It's just the way I play. I believe any sports sim plays a better game against itself. So, this might be trivial to those who want to rewrite baseball history, or rule a baseball universe, but, day-to-day, I just want to see a good game represented with everything that makes us anticipate the next game. In my current 2014 baseball sim, I just saw the Mets-Marlins game go into the top of the ninth, with the Mets leading 4-0, behind a superb start by Bartolo Colon. The game before, the Mets killed the Fish 11-6, emasculating their bullpen in the process. Miami pinch-hit for their pitcher in the bottom of the 8th, so they send in Steve Cishek, their closer to mop up after using five relievers for this game. Cishek had not been used by the Fish since a Friday win (this game was on Tuesday), as they had lost 3 straight. So he is getting some work in. Coming into the game, he had not walked a batter in 9 appearances. By the time he was done with the top of the 9th, he had walked the bases loaded, then hit a batter,and threw a wild pitch for 2 runs. Because he threw 30 pitches in the process, he might not be available for the series finale tomorrow if the Marlins need him to close the game. Another pitcher (long reliever/spot starter) could not get ready quick enough. Sound familiar? It happens in real baseball and it happened last night in my 2014 sim, A.I. vs. A.I. All I'm looking for is a real MLB game experience. OOTP is great for everything but that for me. My opinion is based on v12 and 13.
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05-23-2014, 10:46 AM | #9 |
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One thing that bothers me, not a game breaker though, is that in RL, most bullpen guys can be warmed up within 2 batters. But there are times when 4 or 5 guys bat and my pitchers are still not warmed up.
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06-02-2014, 11:40 AM | #10 |
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I do agree that a manager should be able to handle his bullpen correctly, but it is giving the CPU an advantage when there's an injury or rain delay that their pitcher comes in warmed up and mine does not. That's the problem. It's not consistent.
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06-02-2014, 08:55 PM | #11 |
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I play in the Commish mode and I play out all of the games for one team. I wondered about the rain delay injury consequences for losing your starter. Thanks for clearing that up. I have to say it would be a nice enhancement if you could see who the AI was warming up. It could affect who you pick for a pinch hitter and when.
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06-02-2014, 09:37 PM | #12 |
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So even more reason to turn it off. The few times I've used it that was my game breaker for that feature.
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