Joey Gallo: A Story of a Vegas boy who ruined OOTP

markymark65 · 08-31-2018, 01:57 PM

Dear Joey,

On this day August 31st 2018 I announce my retirement from OOTP baseball, and you are to blame. I no longer can deal with your historically inaccurate homerun totals in my OOTP sims. Look I get it, you are the king of the three true outcomes in today's modern game with legit 80 grade power, but this is out of control. In my first sim you went from hitting 47 HRS in 2018 (Realistic), to 56 HRS in 2019 (Realm of possibilities), to 76 HRS in 2020 (ABSURD) to 74 HRS in 2021 (Really? AGAIN?). Then in my second sim you did even better with 52 HRS in 2018, 67 HRS in 2019, 72 HRS in 2020, 79 HRS in 2021. Similar results unfolded, when I simmed for the third, forth and fifth time. I get you play in a hitter friendly park that plays to your strengths as a left handed hitter, combined with a coach that develops power, but this is unreal? Only two players in the history of baseball have hit 70 HRS both with the aid of performance enhancing drugs, and you did it in back to back seasons in multiple sims. I'm out your not real, I can't take it anymore, I am no longer down with OOTP. (Because you don't know me!!!)

Sincerly,
80 Grade Power Means 40+ HRS not 70+ HRS

Clavette · 08-31-2018, 05:26 PM

Technically speaking, 70 or more is still 40+

I may need to trade for him

Westheim · 08-31-2018, 06:02 PM

If 70 homers doesn't grade out as 80 power, I don't know what would.

daves · 08-31-2018, 08:45 PM

What was his batting average and how many strikeouts?

low · 08-31-2018, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by daves

What was his batting average and how many strikeouts?

.210 and 250 probably.

Westheim · 09-01-2018, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by low

.210 and 250 probably.

...which is where MLB is going fast.

Orcin · 09-01-2018, 08:26 AM

The only thing that ruins OOTP is not being able to play it.

battists · 09-02-2018, 01:20 PM

Listen, I get it, but if you're truly checking out of OOTP because of this, why not just tweak his ratings down a bit?

Westheim · 09-02-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

Listen, I get it, but if you're truly checking out of OOTP because of this, why not just tweak his ratings down a bit?

This.

Also, how can Joey Gallo's future home run totals be "historically inaccurate"? Just because nobody has hit 79 dingers so far, nobody ever will?

r0nster · 09-02-2018, 06:29 PM

This guy (OP) is ridiculously harsh on the game as I have had some amazing players in my saves as a NY catcher hit 83 HRs also 1999 RBIs still stands and another a rookie out of Colorado hit 74 HRs... You don't see me complaining. I love seeing amazing things happen either by pitcher or hitter as I have seen both.

Bub13 · 09-02-2018, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

This guy (OP) is ridiculously harsh on the game as I have had some amazing players in my saves as a NY catcher hit 83 HRs also 1999 RBIs still stands and another a rookie out of Colorado hit 74 HRs... You don't see me complaining. I love seeing amazing things happen either by pitcher or hitter as I have seen both.

That's a high-run environment I guess.

r0nster · 09-02-2018, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bub13

That's a high-run environment I guess.

Yep the guy that was in Colorado has 900 HRs now but he is on Chicago Cubs and isn't doing exactly well so I am betting he will retire pretty quick. I did try trading for him and signing him during FA. Not successful. I am however glad it happened in the game anyways

NoOne · 09-02-2018, 09:02 PM

autocalculate may help. do that every 3-5 years at the start of any fictional league or a new era of a historical league or new totals for whatever reason. a 2018 real players start transitions to fictionally created players. once the league turns over, you won't have to autocalculate at all, if you don't want to. simply make adjustments to modifiers based to fine-tune what you want to see.

i don't suggest making your own totals without a spreadsheet. set formula for babip, slash etc... so you can make sure things jive. you can always import from various historic years too. autocalculate after changes to totals for any reason or every 3-5 years if league is changing, like a transition from real-> fictional or initial players->draft created or feeder created.

Markus Heinsohn · 09-03-2018, 07:37 AM

Interesting. Just for fun I ran a 2018-2022 simulation today (default MLB game), and Gallo hit 49, 38, 54, 37, 39 HR. That looks pretty reasonable to me. Problem is, in his final year he hit just .173, and now he is looking for a job...

Mat · 09-03-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Interesting. Just for fun I ran a 2018-2022 simulation today (default MLB game), and Gallo hit 49, 38, 54, 37, 39 HR. That looks pretty reasonable to me. Problem is, in his final year he hit just .173, and now he is looking for a job...

Yep. I got almost exact same totals as this.

daves · 09-03-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by low

.210 and 250 probably.

The low batting average, high strikeout and a lot of homers actually make sense.

Dogzilla · 09-04-2018, 10:02 AM

If you look at Barry Bonds' stats from 2001 to 2004 they're ridiculous and make no sense. 1.422 OPS? Yeah, right. 232 walks, 120 of them intentional?? This game looks broken.
PEDs? Maybe. Put yourself in commissioner mode and suspend him.

Lukas Berger · 09-04-2018, 10:15 AM

As everyone's alluded to, there are so many reasons this could be happening. If league evolution is on, the league modifiers might have changed drastically, Gallo might have received a big talent boost from the game etc. etc.

That OOTP can change in all those ways is a positive thing, just like in reality the run environments/league rules etc don't stay static. Unless you want them to. If you do, like the OP seems to want, you can always just lock the league totals/modifiers, set talent change randomness down to 1 and you'll never get outliers like this.

Either way is a perfectly legitimate way to play the game, but there's no reason to blame the game or retire from playing it when it's just doing what it's designed to do.

The tools to keep this sort of thing from happening or to let it happen are all in the individual player's hands, to use as they like.

BIG17EASY · 09-04-2018, 10:42 AM

I think it was in OOTP 18 that I ran a few sims just for fun and Trevor Story had some massive home run totals. To me, it's all part of the fun of the game. Once you advance the game one day, it's all fictional from then on. Anything can happen.

Doc_Brown · 09-04-2018, 04:32 PM

Or just play with fictional players. That way you skip the old, but he'd never hit more than 45 in a season.

08-31-2018, 01:57 PM	#1
markymark65 Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 9	Joey Gallo: A Story of a Vegas boy who ruined OOTP Dear Joey, On this day August 31st 2018 I announce my retirement from OOTP baseball, and you are to blame. I no longer can deal with your historically inaccurate homerun totals in my OOTP sims. Look I get it, you are the king of the three true outcomes in today's modern game with legit 80 grade power, but this is out of control. In my first sim you went from hitting 47 HRS in 2018 (Realistic), to 56 HRS in 2019 (Realm of possibilities), to 76 HRS in 2020 (ABSURD) to 74 HRS in 2021 (Really? AGAIN?). Then in my second sim you did even better with 52 HRS in 2018, 67 HRS in 2019, 72 HRS in 2020, 79 HRS in 2021. Similar results unfolded, when I simmed for the third, forth and fifth time. I get you play in a hitter friendly park that plays to your strengths as a left handed hitter, combined with a coach that develops power, but this is unreal? Only two players in the history of baseball have hit 70 HRS both with the aid of performance enhancing drugs, and you did it in back to back seasons in multiple sims. I'm out your not real, I can't take it anymore, I am no longer down with OOTP. (Because you don't know me!!!) Sincerly, 80 Grade Power Means 40+ HRS not 70+ HRS

08-31-2018, 06:02 PM	#3
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08-31-2018, 08:45 PM	#4
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09-02-2018, 01:20 PM	#8
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09-03-2018, 07:37 AM	#14
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,739	Interesting. Just for fun I ran a 2018-2022 simulation today (default MLB game), and Gallo hit 49, 38, 54, 37, 39 HR. That looks pretty reasonable to me. Problem is, in his final year he hit just .173, and now he is looking for a job... __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

08-31-2018, 05:26 PM	#2
Clavette Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Connecticut Posts: 371	Technically speaking, 70 or more is still 40+ I may need to trade for him

09-01-2018, 08:26 AM	#7
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	The only thing that ruins OOTP is not being able to play it.

09-02-2018, 06:29 PM	#10
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	This guy (OP) is ridiculously harsh on the game as I have had some amazing players in my saves as a NY catcher hit 83 HRs also 1999 RBIs still stands and another a rookie out of Colorado hit 74 HRs... You don't see me complaining. I love seeing amazing things happen either by pitcher or hitter as I have seen both.

09-02-2018, 09:02 PM	#13
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	autocalculate may help. do that every 3-5 years at the start of any fictional league or a new era of a historical league or new totals for whatever reason. a 2018 real players start transitions to fictionally created players. once the league turns over, you won't have to autocalculate at all, if you don't want to. simply make adjustments to modifiers based to fine-tune what you want to see. i don't suggest making your own totals without a spreadsheet. set formula for babip, slash etc... so you can make sure things jive. you can always import from various historic years too. autocalculate after changes to totals for any reason or every 3-5 years if league is changing, like a transition from real-> fictional or initial players->draft created or feeder created.

09-04-2018, 10:02 AM	#17
Dogzilla Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 421	If you look at Barry Bonds' stats from 2001 to 2004 they're ridiculous and make no sense. 1.422 OPS? Yeah, right. 232 walks, 120 of them intentional?? This game looks broken. PEDs? Maybe. Put yourself in commissioner mode and suspend him.

09-04-2018, 10:15 AM	#18
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 19,896	As everyone's alluded to, there are so many reasons this could be happening. If league evolution is on, the league modifiers might have changed drastically, Gallo might have received a big talent boost from the game etc. etc. That OOTP can change in all those ways is a positive thing, just like in reality the run environments/league rules etc don't stay static. Unless you want them to. If you do, like the OP seems to want, you can always just lock the league totals/modifiers, set talent change randomness down to 1 and you'll never get outliers like this. Either way is a perfectly legitimate way to play the game, but there's no reason to blame the game or retire from playing it when it's just doing what it's designed to do. The tools to keep this sort of thing from happening or to let it happen are all in the individual player's hands, to use as they like. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Order Out of the Park Baseball 25! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

09-04-2018, 10:42 AM	#19
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	I think it was in OOTP 18 that I ran a few sims just for fun and Trevor Story had some massive home run totals. To me, it's all part of the fun of the game. Once you advance the game one day, it's all fictional from then on. Anything can happen.

09-04-2018, 04:32 PM	#20
Doc_Brown All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,326	Or just play with fictional players. That way you skip the old, but he'd never hit more than 45 in a season.