Bronze market has collapsed

[Orcin]

Other precious metals are expected to follow. Rumors abound that silver is the new bronze, and gold is not all as shiny as people once thought.

Gems are where it's at for the savvy investor.

[Lukas Berger]

Stay tuned for future developments

[AdamD]

I'm waiting to see what happens on Thursday with the influx of all the PP people will buy

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by AdamD

I'm waiting to see what happens on Thursday with the influx of all the PP people will buy

If/when I buy PP, it won't be to spend it on bronze cards. Either I will buy packs and sell the bronze cards, or I will buy diamonds. Either way, the bronze market will continue to spiral downward.

Ways to perk up the bronze market:
1. Entice new players to enter the game
2. Find a use for bronze cards, i.e. a league that is capped at bronze value

[Whoofe]

or leagues that require a certain ratio, such as a max of 3 gold+ players, 7 silver, 15 bronzes

[Westheim]

Yup, run-of-the-mill bronzes are unmovable for even 25 PP right now. High-level bronzes still have *some* value. I have thrown a Brock Holt (68) in there that does not help me with a crowded outfield, and it is at 111 PP with a few hours left.

Lower-half silver is pulling in 100s rather than 1,000s as I would have expected. And even then nobody wants a piece of the Odubel Herrera (70) I have out there for 400, which I considered reasonable / rather low as of yesterday.

[Galeg]

Originally Posted by Orcin

If/when I buy PP, it won't be to spend it on bronze cards. Either I will buy packs and sell the bronze cards, or I will buy diamonds. Either way, the bronze market will continue to spiral downward.

Ways to perk up the bronze market:
1. Entice new players to enter the game
2. Find a use for bronze cards, i.e. a league that is capped at bronze value

I think leagues with all bronze would be awesome! Not sure if enough people are playing to support such diverse leagues, though.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Westheim

I have thrown a Brock Holt (68) in there that does not help me with a crowded outfield, and it is at 111 PP with a few hours left.

Brock Holt and Daniel Robertson are valuable bronze cards because they can cover many positions as a backup.

[AdamD]

I literally just sold a bronze 321 and 444

[Galeg]

I'm still using plenty of grey cards on my time. *shrug*

[MmmRocks]

Originally Posted by Galeg

I think leagues with all bronze would be awesome! Not sure if enough people are playing to support such diverse leagues, though.

I love this idea. It would involve a lot of strategy and not necessarily just spending the most money.

[Echo127]

Originally Posted by MmmRocks

I love this idea. It would involve a lot of strategy and not necessarily just spending the most money.

It would also result in a lot of very similar teams. I think the idea of periodic tournaments with restricted players sounds like a better idea than a whole new set of leagues.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Echo127

It would also result in a lot of very similar teams. I think the idea of periodic tournaments with restricted players sounds like a better idea than a whole new set of leagues.

Yeah, Bronze tournaments would be a heck of a lot of fun. Bronze leagues, not so much.

[Galeg]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Yeah, Bronze tournaments would be a heck of a lot of fun. Bronze leagues, not so much.

Yeah I was thinking something that runs for like 3 seasons and then has an overall winner, maybe?

[sharkybc]

Just spitballin' here. What about a salary cap? Say a 64 card costs 6.4 towards your salary and you have to build your team under a specified budget. Sure would limit the effectiveness of whales, adds a plethora of strategies to be experimented with, and makes bronze and even grey cards necessary. Think of the AH with people actually going after grey card nuggets so they can fit that last gold player on their roster or a second diamond. The Live Ichiro card would sell like a gold! lol. Would make it feel like you are managing a team even that much more.
I dunno, seems like it would be really fun. if not the main course of PT, maybe a salary cap tournament or league on the side?

[Galeg]

Would be cool if in the future you could create your own league rules and invite people, then open to public to fill the rest of the spots. Examples of rules:

-# of roster spots
-# of diamond cards max, etc down the line
-Current vs historical cards
-Playoff system
-PP buy-in pool. So if 16 people join for 2k PP each, say winner gets 20k, runner up 8k, third 2k back, and 4-5 get 1k back. Or whatever. Maybe the devs need to take their pound of flesh and skim 1k off the top or something.

[mikezone13]

I'm definitely in favour of some 'point cap' type leagues - brings different elements of strategy into play as opposed to how it looks to be playing out right now.

[One Post Wonder]

I've been saying since day 1 that there has got to be some form of card degradation or destruction. Even something simple like, at the end of each season all cards in play degrade by 1 point in every attribute. Or grays are much better quality but are deleted at the end of each season.

Bronze tournaments sound good, but make them spicy. The cards of all of the losers are sold for 25 pp each. The money from that sale goes to the winner.

We could do that with grays, silvers, golds, even diamonds perhaps. Such tournaments would cut back on the number of cards in play, too, which would help the sim speed.

This inflation also decreases the value of buying packs. Why drop 1000 on a regular pack if there's a good chance you won't even get a run of the mill silver card, much less something really useful?

Regardless, I think this is the Achilles heel of the beta. We're not even a week in, unable to purchase pp yet, but were already seeing drastic changes s in value. 3 days ago a gold card was a big deal to me. Now I've got 7 of them.

[Fyrestorm3]

OPW, what's the obsession with having people lose cards? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just really wonder where the logic of that comes from. This is a card collecting game mode, where half the fun comes from, you know, collecting. The absolute last thing I would ever want is for the game to take away my hard-earned team for playing poorly. Nevermind the fact that people are going to be paying real money for some of these cards - no one who does that is ever, under any circumstances, going to be interested in a tournament that could destroy their collection.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

I've been saying since day 1 that there has got to be some form of card degradation or destruction. Even something simple like, at the end of each season all cards in play degrade by 1 point in every attribute. Or grays are much better quality but are deleted at the end of each season.

Bronze tournaments sound good, but make them spicy. The cards of all of the losers are sold for 25 pp each. The money from that sale goes to the winner.

We could do that with grays, silvers, golds, even diamonds perhaps. Such tournaments would cut back on the number of cards in play, too, which would help the sim speed.

This inflation also decreases the value of buying packs. Why drop 1000 on a regular pack if there's a good chance you won't even get a run of the mill silver card, much less something really useful?

Regardless, I think this is the Achilles heel of the beta. We're not even a week in, unable to purchase pp yet, but were already seeing drastic changes s in value. 3 days ago a gold card was a big deal to me. Now I've got 7 of them.

You will get your card degradation the instant OOTP 20 comes out.