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Westheim · 07-22-2019, 03:14 PM

All of this is entirely worthless effort. You still included "starts" by openers. Obviously openers will only pitch one or two innings, which means the IP/GS are where they are. The Rays alone must have had 30 or more openers start games. Other teams dabbled with this (stupid) concept. So that throws out Part 2.

Part 3 is equally worthless, since pitchers that don't pitch five innings, can't qualify for a win, only for a loss. Thus the W-L record of pitchers on X days of rest, with X < 3 especially, means absolutely zero.

Part 4, while I would agree to a notion that managers all of a sudden turn collectively stupid in the playoffs, is worthless on accounts of small sample size. Hey, that Menez kid dazzled the Mets last night. Kid's gonna be a Hall of Famer!

(shakes head)

Dyzalot · 07-23-2019, 05:13 PM

Once again I ask, if it is such a bad strategy, why is it so heavily employed at the most important time of the year? I'm not saying the performance should be the same. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an increased risk of injury. And I'm not saying that a pitcher could keep that up throughout a whole season, but starters come back to start on only two or three days rest all the time when all they did in their prior outing was make a short relief appearance. The fact that I can't utilize my pitching staff in the way the Red Sox did last year in the postseason seems unrealistic. I don't see why a starter can't start a game, then three days later throw 20 pitches in relief and then three days later be ready to start another game. That seems to be pretty standard practice in the playoffs over the past decade.

I would love to see the stats compiled, regular season and postseaon, of pitchers who started on less than 5 days rest after a relief appearance. Not sure how easy something like that would be to put together.

07-22-2019, 03:14 PM	#21
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,903	All of this is entirely worthless effort. You still included "starts" by openers. Obviously openers will only pitch one or two innings, which means the IP/GS are where they are. The Rays alone must have had 30 or more openers start games. Other teams dabbled with this (stupid) concept. So that throws out Part 2. Part 3 is equally worthless, since pitchers that don't pitch five innings, can't qualify for a win, only for a loss. Thus the W-L record of pitchers on X days of rest, with X < 3 especially, means absolutely zero. Part 4, while I would agree to a notion that managers all of a sudden turn collectively stupid in the playoffs, is worthless on accounts of small sample size. Hey, that Menez kid dazzled the Mets last night. Kid's gonna be a Hall of Famer! (shakes head) __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here. Last edited by Westheim; 07-22-2019 at 03:15 PM.

07-23-2019, 05:13 PM	#22
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,735	Once again I ask, if it is such a bad strategy, why is it so heavily employed at the most important time of the year? I'm not saying the performance should be the same. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an increased risk of injury. And I'm not saying that a pitcher could keep that up throughout a whole season, but starters come back to start on only two or three days rest all the time when all they did in their prior outing was make a short relief appearance. The fact that I can't utilize my pitching staff in the way the Red Sox did last year in the postseason seems unrealistic. I don't see why a starter can't start a game, then three days later throw 20 pitches in relief and then three days later be ready to start another game. That seems to be pretty standard practice in the playoffs over the past decade. I would love to see the stats compiled, regular season and postseaon, of pitchers who started on less than 5 days rest after a relief appearance. Not sure how easy something like that would be to put together.