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07-07-2019, 05:20 PM | #1 |
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Releasing a player with options, how much do I have to pay him?
Below the photos explain it pretty much, Cano has 4 years left but already the 3 year is a team option, the buyout is 2 million. Now when I want to release him I gotta pay him the salary for 3 years, why isn't it like for year 1 and 2 plus the buyout?
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07-07-2019, 06:06 PM | #2 |
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Good question, one would think it would be 42,500,000.
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07-08-2019, 06:05 AM | #3 |
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07-08-2019, 08:01 AM | #4 |
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You're not exercising a team option - you're outright releasing him. You pay the full amount of the remaining contract. You don't get to exercise your team option in this type scenario.
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07-08-2019, 08:42 AM | #5 |
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07-08-2019, 10:46 AM | #6 |
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alright but is there a possibility to release him and exercise that option, in real life that is?
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07-08-2019, 11:15 AM | #7 |
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Maybe it's factoring the three guaranteed years left (year 7, 8 and 10), plus the year 9 buyout?
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07-08-2019, 11:48 AM | #8 |
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Did you try and trade him first? I have only outright released someone with that much salary baggage a few times after I know I can't trade him for anything and he's being a cancer to the ballclub and has to go. That's the only scenario an outright release with this type of salary makes sense because even if the wheels have fallen off I'm sure he's still a bit better than your average player. If he's not being a butt about it stick him on the bench as an overpriced pinch hitter if you are ready to move on. Put him on the trading block and see if another team will eventually bite. You have 4 years so situations change with other teams.
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07-08-2019, 12:52 PM | #9 |
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Trading is all well and good, but the point is understanding why. As a GM, it's just a least little bit helpful to understand these things.
I don't think anyone is assuming OOTP is wrong, however the possibility does exist. I personally think OOTP is counting year 10 as a guaranteed year and it's not. That said, OOTP may have it right because the team broke the contract (?). However, it seems year 9 would be paid in full if that was the case. If OOTP is right, then we need to add 'team option' to every year of the contract (once started). I think OOTP has it wrong. The 2,000,000 is to buy out the contract, not just season 9. That said, an understanding (or a patch) would be helpful. |
07-08-2019, 01:52 PM | #10 |
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I don't have things up in front of me, but if memory serves me there may simple be an issue with what displays in the popup - you may want to try backing up the game and seeing what happens when they are released, what gets filled into the misc expenses buckets for future years.
We should treat releasing players as if team options get declined. I believe that makes the most sense. |
07-08-2019, 05:33 PM | #11 |
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07-08-2019, 06:06 PM | #12 |
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Why not? The contract is for 4 guaranteed years sandwiched around an option.(Why that contract is structured that way is a whole different argument) Since year 10 isn't an option, you have to pay those 3 plus the 2 Mill buyout.
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07-08-2019, 06:29 PM | #13 | |
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Although, my quick attempt at doing the math still left me about 2 mil short so either I did the math wrong or this does include the buyout amount. And that part does seem counter-intuitive to me. The rest though makes sense- the option can't be exercised until the end of the 2021 season so releasing the player well before that negates the option (or so it would seem to me.) EDIT: Nevermind. Monday end of workday brain malfunction. Somehow I shorted the pro-rated amount by a huge chunk (left out 3 digits) so that doesn't make sense either. So it looks like with pro-rating 2020 the amount remaining should be $76,117,808.40 or thereabouts. Which is obviously not 62,750,000. Last edited by BirdWatcher; 07-08-2019 at 06:41 PM. |
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07-09-2019, 09:25 AM | #15 | |
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I think the only way to counter these things would be house rules. Maybe a buyout part to contracts could be implemented? So if someone is really unhappy they may accept a buyout? |
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07-09-2019, 11:11 AM | #16 |
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This contract wasn't negotiated during the 'game' as it dates back several years. That said, I would hope/assume the AI takes into consideration 'guaranteed money' when negotiating. Any money beyond the first 'team option' year is not guaranteed. I can only assume the AI/Cano was satisfied with a guaranteed amount of ~$180 million (+$2 million) since 'he' agreed to relinquish ~$40 million for a $2 million buyout.
I've believe OOTP does a fairly decent job when negotiating and I do my best to fleece it at every opportunity. |
07-09-2019, 04:12 PM | #17 |
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I'm curious why the contract has that buyout in the first place. spotrac and baseball-reference both show it as fully guaranteed at 24M a year with the mets on the hook for 20.75M of that from 2020-2023
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york...nson-cano-576/ https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...canoro01.shtml |
07-09-2019, 05:14 PM | #18 | |
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07-09-2019, 07:18 PM | #19 | |
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07-10-2019, 09:15 AM | #20 | |
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No player would ever agree to team options of absurd amounts of money believing that the team intends to pick up those options. I'm not sure if OOTP has fixed this since the online league rule has been in effect for so many versions and I don't play solo. |
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