Handling Injuries

Klew1986 · 05-12-2017, 09:07 AM

How do you all handle injuries with the new injury system? I have a LF who has a sprained ankle that is day-to-day for 5 weeks. Influence of running is Moderate. Should I put him on 10-day DL? Or should I continue to play him, but maybe rest him 2-3 days at a time?

Orcin · 05-12-2017, 09:32 AM

Valuable/Important Player? Yes ---> What is pennant race situation? ----> IN = Play, OUT/EARLY = D/L

Valuable/Important Player? No = D/L

Phatman · 05-12-2017, 08:37 PM

Same situation with me, Outfielder who is valuable to my team started with a blistered finger, then something with his hip, then that turned into a nagging injury day to day for 4 weeks then he had something else. Since it was early in the season I put him on 60 day DL. Let's get everything healed and come back better. Hope it helps.

Klew1986 · 05-12-2017, 08:41 PM

I'm 19-4 in late April. I will probably put him on the DL, although since the injury, my RF has gone down. So I would be without by starting CF and RF.

The Yurpman · 05-12-2017, 09:03 PM

It all depends on the player. I'm playing with the Red Sox, for example. Mookie Betts got a two week DTD injury so I immediately put him on the DL. Can't afford to lose him. One of my backup OF got a four week DTD injury and I'm currently just letting him play through it. It just depends who and when you get an injury.

HonusWagner · 05-12-2017, 09:21 PM

It's a complete waste to DL a DtD, no matter who it is.

Unless it is a player with a history of injuries in the same bodypart area as the DtD, and his DtD injury is substantial. Other than that, I've seen players play through months long DtDs.

Lordofbrewtown · 05-12-2017, 10:00 PM

Interesting. One of my better starting pitchers was DtD for 40 days and put up 3 terrible starts in a row, so bit the bullet and put him on the DL, as it really affected performance

PurpleHaze34 · 05-13-2017, 07:45 AM

I'm simming one day at a time and my day to day SP doesn't seem to start anymore. Anyone else run into this? It looks like my entire staff is exhausted working around his starts for the last 2 weeks and I didn't catch it right away.

HonusWagner · 05-14-2017, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lordofbrewtown

Interesting. One of my better starting pitchers was DtD for 40 days and put up 3 terrible starts in a row, so bit the bullet and put him on the DL, as it really affected performance

As manager, when a player gets a DtD status, I do the following (all of which seem to me as just intuitive):

1. what is the severity?
2. what is his history with this specific injury?
3. what is his history with this type/area of injury?
4. if the above does not direct me to put him on the DL, then he does get put on a DtD watch, meaning his performance is closely monitored each outing.

Re #4 and your scenario with the SP - if I decided to leave him in the rotation I would have closely monitored his next GS. If he tanked, and I still decided to keep him off the DL, then he would likely pitch from the bullpen next time. If he kept tanking, then he would go the DL because at least I could then bring in someone else who might not tank.

I can randomly look at players on the injury list and see where they continued to play and perform at around season averages throughout DtD injuries.

One example is a player with Wrecked health status and a career-long list of injuries. His current DtD is listed as moderate and not in an area with which he experienced considerable injury in the past (eg no lengthy DtD, no DL). So he continues to play and his performance has not declined (meaning, it remains around his seasonal average).

And of course we need to consider how the game is actually coded around this issue. The manual (iirc) does state explicitly that past injury in a bodypart area may act as predictor to future issues re same. How or if this transfers to DtD performance may require more game data to answer.

HonusWagner · 05-14-2017, 09:19 AM

So here is an example similar to the OP. This is from an ai-managed team.

Since this DtD began, this SP has had 1 bad game - his most recent. Was this predictable? I think yes:

1. The current DtD injury seems quite moderate - elbow soreness. Not something I would rush to put on the DL. However, because he is a SP and it is his money arm, I would certainly monitor.

2. He has a considerable history of injury in that area, and in that specific bodypart. He even had surgery several seasons ago. For this reason I would have immediately put him on the DL with the current DtD when it first occurred.

Combine this history with his age I would not have kept him in the rotation with his current DtD, even though it was moderate. Another player, without the same history, I might have.

msupoke · 05-14-2017, 10:11 AM

In my online league, George Springer has been hurt on and off all season. A couple of weeks ago, he suffered a day-to-day injury that would take two weeks to heal. I put him on the DL because I had other guys who coul hold the fort. Then, he had a setback. Now, he is day-to-day for an unknown amount of time. I wonder if he would have had the setback if he had not been on the DL.

RchW · 05-14-2017, 11:06 AM

My best player was indefinite with a finger sprain and I was playing him until I got this email.

Liking this improved system a lot. Two weeks on the DL did the trick.

MizzouRah · 05-14-2017, 11:48 AM

The new injury system adds another layer of realism and strategy.. might be my favorite 18 addition to the game.

I'm with Orcin on how I determine what to do. Molina just got a DtD injury on a groin injury.. but we are 1.5 games in front of the Cubs 95 games into the season, so I'm keeping him off the DL for now.

mitchkenn · 05-14-2017, 11:58 AM

If it's more than a 3 day to day - i toss him into the 10 day disabled list. Thinking is better to have him rested and healing than getting worse, which has seemed to be the case when i leave them on the active roster.

cdidman · 05-14-2017, 12:04 PM

It's baseball, which means every dtd injury you should put him on the DL right? lol

The 10 day DL makes it pretty easy to put a guy on the DL for some quick heal time.

RchW · 05-14-2017, 01:42 PM

I've kept the 15 day DL to add a little difficulty.

drhay53 · 05-14-2017, 11:44 PM

I find that I don't tend to do much for DTD injuries unless it's a pretty long-term moderate influence thing, or unless they get that "unknown recovery" status where they really will not heal unless you rest them.

But, I just had a key player go DTD "unknown" coming out of spring training and I decided to DL him because I didn't want to end up with a season of poor play. He's back and playing well in July so I'm happy I went that route.

One other thing DTD injuries are nice for is getting 30 days to look at a young player when it's a veteran who's declined that gets hurt. Throw him on the 10 day then 20 days of rehab, free 30 days of evaluating a AAA guy. I have a couple of guys on their last year of contract who I would love to get off the team, and DTD injuries are amazing for getting them out of my lineup for a while.

megamanmatt · 05-15-2017, 04:21 AM

It hasn't changed much. If a offensive minded position player has a injury that substantially affects hitting or a pitcher with one that substantially affects throwing I'll DL them. Otherwise they are playing.

05-12-2017, 09:07 AM	#1
Klew1986 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,722	Handling Injuries How do you all handle injuries with the new injury system? I have a LF who has a sprained ankle that is day-to-day for 5 weeks. Influence of running is Moderate. Should I put him on 10-day DL? Or should I continue to play him, but maybe rest him 2-3 days at a time?

05-14-2017, 09:19 AM	#10
HonusWagner All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 518	So here is an example similar to the OP. This is from an ai-managed team. Since this DtD began, this SP has had 1 bad game - his most recent. Was this predictable? I think yes: 1. The current DtD injury seems quite moderate - elbow soreness. Not something I would rush to put on the DL. However, because he is a SP and it is his money arm, I would certainly monitor. 2. He has a considerable history of injury in that area, and in that specific bodypart. He even had surgery several seasons ago. For this reason I would have immediately put him on the DL with the current DtD when it first occurred. Combine this history with his age I would not have kept him in the rotation with his current DtD, even though it was moderate. Another player, without the same history, I might have. Attached Images

05-14-2017, 10:11 AM	#11
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	In my online league, George Springer has been hurt on and off all season. A couple of weeks ago, he suffered a day-to-day injury that would take two weeks to heal. I put him on the DL because I had other guys who coul hold the fort. Then, he had a setback. Now, he is day-to-day for an unknown amount of time. I wonder if he would have had the setback if he had not been on the DL. __________________

05-14-2017, 11:06 AM	#12
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	My best player was indefinite with a finger sprain and I was playing him until I got this email. Liking this improved system a lot. Two weeks on the DL did the trick. Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-14-2017, 11:58 AM	#14
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	If it's more than a 3 day to day - i toss him into the 10 day disabled list. Thinking is better to have him rested and healing than getting worse, which has seemed to be the case when i leave them on the active roster. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

05-12-2017, 09:32 AM	#2
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Valuable/Important Player? Yes ---> What is pennant race situation? ----> IN = Play, OUT/EARLY = D/L Valuable/Important Player? No = D/L

05-12-2017, 08:37 PM	#3
Phatman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 112	Same situation with me, Outfielder who is valuable to my team started with a blistered finger, then something with his hip, then that turned into a nagging injury day to day for 4 weeks then he had something else. Since it was early in the season I put him on 60 day DL. Let's get everything healed and come back better. Hope it helps.

05-12-2017, 08:41 PM	#4
Klew1986 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,722	I'm 19-4 in late April. I will probably put him on the DL, although since the injury, my RF has gone down. So I would be without by starting CF and RF.

05-12-2017, 09:03 PM	#5
The Yurpman Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 318	It all depends on the player. I'm playing with the Red Sox, for example. Mookie Betts got a two week DTD injury so I immediately put him on the DL. Can't afford to lose him. One of my backup OF got a four week DTD injury and I'm currently just letting him play through it. It just depends who and when you get an injury.

05-12-2017, 09:21 PM	#6
HonusWagner All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 518	It's a complete waste to DL a DtD, no matter who it is. Unless it is a player with a history of injuries in the same bodypart area as the DtD, and his DtD injury is substantial. Other than that, I've seen players play through months long DtDs.

05-12-2017, 10:00 PM	#7
Lordofbrewtown Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: St Petersburg, FL Posts: 275	Interesting. One of my better starting pitchers was DtD for 40 days and put up 3 terrible starts in a row, so bit the bullet and put him on the DL, as it really affected performance

05-13-2017, 07:45 AM	#8
PurpleHaze34 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 19	I'm simming one day at a time and my day to day SP doesn't seem to start anymore. Anyone else run into this? It looks like my entire staff is exhausted working around his starts for the last 2 weeks and I didn't catch it right away.

05-14-2017, 11:48 AM	#13
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,251	The new injury system adds another layer of realism and strategy.. might be my favorite 18 addition to the game. I'm with Orcin on how I determine what to do. Molina just got a DtD injury on a groin injury.. but we are 1.5 games in front of the Cubs 95 games into the season, so I'm keeping him off the DL for now.

05-14-2017, 12:04 PM	#15
cdidman Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2010 Location: Toledo Posts: 90	It's baseball, which means every dtd injury you should put him on the DL right? lol The 10 day DL makes it pretty easy to put a guy on the DL for some quick heal time.

05-14-2017, 01:42 PM	#16
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	I've kept the 15 day DL to add a little difficulty. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-14-2017, 11:44 PM	#17
drhay53 Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 355	I find that I don't tend to do much for DTD injuries unless it's a pretty long-term moderate influence thing, or unless they get that "unknown recovery" status where they really will not heal unless you rest them. But, I just had a key player go DTD "unknown" coming out of spring training and I decided to DL him because I didn't want to end up with a season of poor play. He's back and playing well in July so I'm happy I went that route. One other thing DTD injuries are nice for is getting 30 days to look at a young player when it's a veteran who's declined that gets hurt. Throw him on the 10 day then 20 days of rehab, free 30 days of evaluating a AAA guy. I have a couple of guys on their last year of contract who I would love to get off the team, and DTD injuries are amazing for getting them out of my lineup for a while.

05-15-2017, 04:21 AM	#18
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	It hasn't changed much. If a offensive minded position player has a injury that substantially affects hitting or a pitcher with one that substantially affects throwing I'll DL them. Otherwise they are playing. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.