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11-15-2019, 11:42 AM | #141 | |
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Maybe they're playing in Bronze/Silver leagues and could be accused of tanking (indeed could actually easily tank) out of Perfect for Diamond by playing these players. Or maybe we're trying to compete in Diamond and don't want to **** up our team just so we can play in Bronze and Silver leagues with guys who trained these guys up 6 months ago before they had a team of perfects? Maybe they're competing in Silver/Bronze because guys who have large collections of players are more readily able to dominate every high league, having done so months ago in their rise to Perfect. IDK, maybe so that the playing field is a little more level between people who have had the game for maybe 8 months and those who've had it 2-3? I honestly find it hard to believe someone couldn't see there being a multitude of reasons for ppl to not want training even if they use it in the league games season after season. |
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11-15-2019, 11:50 AM | #142 |
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I like tournaments without training so that the same cards are actually the same and flexible utility players have more value.
It also addresses the potential issue with using the regular league to train low level players for tournaments. I'd vote to get rid of it entirely next perfect team, but since it does exist I'm obviously going to use it now where it can help out. |
11-15-2019, 12:14 PM | #143 |
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Hypothetical question: If training was allowed for tournaments, would we have to wait until after the first simulation for it to show up after activating our cards, just like how it works in the main game? Would they have to be active in the main game too for the training that was conducted in the main game to stick?
This seems like a significant limitation that would make it problematic to allow training.
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11-15-2019, 12:22 PM | #144 | |
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According to Markus, this is indeed a major problem. Training is only added at the end of the week. No problem in a season long game, but if the tourney is tue-wed, the training is gone. I'm just guessing this isn't something they can easily bandaid and fix. In the end it feels like it makes more cards viable, which is to me a good thing because the market is pretty hopped up and seems loaded with people with PP and nothing better to do but buy up the cheap copies of the most useful players and charge large amounts for them. The larger the pool of useful players - the more people are forced to accommodate new situations and not buy the 3 fave guys - the better the impact on the market, presumably. |
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11-15-2019, 12:43 PM | #145 | |
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Since it is made, I don't see how you can possibly keep training in the main portion of the game. Having it exist in one part and not another is actively frustrating. I don't think THAT decision should be made on the basis of such a small portion of the players either, but it feels like they would have to. |
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11-15-2019, 12:46 PM | #146 |
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Nobody questioned training at other positions in PT for a full year, and now tournaments come out, the import of fielding stats doesn't work for whatever reason, and within four days everybody wants to get rid of it altogether. What the actual ****? Has everybody lost their mind now?
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11-15-2019, 12:49 PM | #147 | |
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11-15-2019, 01:02 PM | #149 | |
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The idea of players becoming gold glove proficient at positions that they NEVER played in real life is silly to me. I never liked it; I still don't like it; and I never will like it. IMHO it should be removed from the main game as well. I have no problem with Cal Ripken starting with a 50 rating at 3B and being able to vastly improve it. But he should not have a rating at 2B and he should not be able to develop one. If Cal Ripken goes into a game at 2B, he probably won't stink based on his raw skills. That's fine. He should never be better than Craig Biggio there. By the way, I don't like Future Legend cards either just in case that comes up. |
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11-15-2019, 01:04 PM | #150 | |
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Edit: Maybe this got lost in translation, but my preference is to keep training in tournaments just like it is in season play. But that has been decided against, so the next best thing is to nix training in season play just like it is in tournaments. Some people are opposed to training; I just want an explanation.
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11-15-2019, 01:04 PM | #151 | |
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Then, as now, I did not hold a particularly strong opinion on the subject. I have a slight lean towards not allowing training, and I voted that way, but I'd be fine either way. Fwiw, I think the fact that there wasn't overwhelming support to include positional training in tournaments will save them a metric buttload of work to try to make the game mechanics cooperate - if that is even possible.
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11-15-2019, 01:09 PM | #152 |
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I can respect that, if what you are interested in is historical recreation in a strict sense. As a baseball concept, though, it would be almost guaranteed that the average shortstop would be better at second base than the average second baseman, given comparable experience. Same with the average center fielder compared with the corners. Training makes all the sense in the world to me.
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11-15-2019, 01:09 PM | #153 |
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I never saw the vote in training. You’d think there be a notification so we all can have a say? I guess just a few were able to vote multiple times and/or robot votes?
Building a team in PT is about training positions. I don’t understand how you don’t want unless you don’t actually play the game? Anyway, now that the non players have their say, what is defense efficiency affect for putting players out of position? Is Jackie Robinson bad at 3b? Can Trout play LF? Are my Shortstops unable to play second? Can my excellent fielding RF play LF? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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11-15-2019, 01:24 PM | #154 | |
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Trout can play LF. He starts at X rating and he can develop there. He has played nearly 800 innings there in his career. He barely played RF so he gets nothing there. You want a RF? Get Yelich instead. Can your shortstop play 2B? Has he ever played 2B? No? Then why should he be able to play there? Why play an excellent RF in LF? So you can load up your lineup? Nah. Make some choices. Decisions are challenging. |
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11-15-2019, 01:59 PM | #155 | |
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Building a team in regular PT was about training positions. I think it is a dumb feature and I'm glad tournaments are different for reasons Orcin has said. Making choices is interesting strategy, putting a player wherever you want isn't. If you want to figure out the impact of playing a player somewhere where he has zero experience then do it and see what happens! Compare his overall performance against a player who might have a weaker bat but stronger fielding. You know, kinda like managing a baseball team. |
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11-15-2019, 02:01 PM | #156 | |
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I voted against training. Training in tournaments just creates way too many problems in the main game as well as added value to cards that play multiple positions at the start (Such as Whit Merrifield and Enrique Hernandez).
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11-15-2019, 02:03 PM | #157 | |
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11-15-2019, 02:13 PM | #158 | |
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Right. Pujols should have stayed at third or OF he has no business at 1st! Arod should have stayed at short! What was the Brewers thinking by putting Yount in CF? Don’t they know players should only be designed to play certain positions only like the tournament PT version! MLB needs to know the OOTP position only! Major League Baseball has it all wrong! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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11-15-2019, 02:20 PM | #159 |
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That was a refreshing exchange.
All things considered, things are going mighty well. Congratulations to us.
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You can play players anywhere you want in tournaments. Nothing stopping you!
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