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Yes, no doubt | 19 | 42.22% | |
Not a chance | 12 | 26.67% | |
He needs to play 14 more years, before I can decide | 4 | 8.89% | |
Monkey rodeo | 10 | 22.22% | |
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08-20-2018, 09:37 PM | #181 | ||
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Jim Edmonds OPS+ is .903, and he won eight gold gloves. Keith Hernandez's OPS+ is .821, with ELEVEN gold gloves. This isn't hate for Mauer..he was a good player, but not a great player, and absolutely not a Hall of Famer. He's pretty much finished now, I doubt he will have another hundred hits in his career. Edit to add...Harrison Bader's DWAR is about the same as Mauer's LIFETIME DWAR, but Bader has done it in 250 at bats. If this doesn't impress you, then nothing else will. Also, as a starter, Bader has a 1.004 OPS, for the year. Last edited by dsvitak; 08-20-2018 at 09:50 PM. |
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08-20-2018, 10:21 PM | #183 |
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Pointing out that Mauer as a catcher hits as well as above average 1b or outfielders proves everyone else's point that he's a hall of fame Calibre player. Probably not your best argument to say a catcher that can hit like a first baseman is a bad thing.
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08-21-2018, 01:24 AM | #184 | |
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Mauer needs more PA, but if he gets in, it'll be because of his time as a catcher. |
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08-21-2018, 01:24 AM | #185 | |
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Let me lead off by stating that this thread delights me greatly.
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In Terms of numbers, I just did the math and it seems to me that he is batting 21-for-70 since the trade, which is a) a totally small sample size; and b) not .365, but closer to .300;
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08-21-2018, 11:03 AM | #188 | |
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I would put him in with his current career. He has a peak for the position that is among the best of all-time and played at a very high level for a 7 to 9 year period. I don't think lack of durability and longevity at the position should keep him out, he was good enough at his peak. I understand some of the arguments that go the other way, just disagree. Everything after 2013 is pretty much moot for me, he made his case at that point. He could have solidified it from there, but hasn't...so I'm not going to argue too hard with those who don't think he should be in (although I'll still point out the dumb arguments some of them have ) Last edited by Rain King; 08-21-2018 at 11:06 AM. |
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08-21-2018, 12:48 PM | #189 | |
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He has 21 hits, but 70 PA, not at bats. 63 at bats. I'll say this about Bader, he's awesome defensively. He is tied with Billy Hamilton for the most 4 and 5 star catches in baseball this year according to Statcast, and he's played half as many innings. He is electric in the field, and the metrics love him as much. But his bat will never be close enough to be a Hall of Famer. I'd expect him to be a 90-110 wRC+ offensive player. Which, if he can get closer to that 110 range, he'd be an elite player overall because of his defense. |
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08-21-2018, 12:49 PM | #190 | |
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But he is still a positive WAR player. He is still providing some value, just not Hall of Fame level value (or even all-star). |
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08-21-2018, 12:54 PM | #191 |
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Whoops. Wrong column. Guilty as charged.
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08-23-2018, 01:55 PM | #192 |
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The Hall of Fame Monitor at baseball.reference.com shows Mauer with worse numbers that Scott Rolen, Cecil Cooper, or ... wait for it ... Tony Pena.
NONE of these guys are legit HoF candidates. |
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You can argue whether he should be in or not. But to say he is/was not a legit candidate is absurd.
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I thought about this thread last night.
In my OOTP 18 save I started a MLB quick start with this years Atlanta Braves and I am now in 2023 and I had a look at the HOF and saw that Joe Mauer was indeed selected. And his numbers looked pretty much what you would expect from someone towards the end of his career. Its not like he suddenly had a bounce back year. I don't have an opinion on this topic one way or another but OOTP thinks him a HOF at least! |
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The metric you are talking about for Mauer compared to other catchers.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml |
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He was actually pretty terrible his last few years and was still selected!
I did not follow the Twins but it also looks like he was injured a bit and passed over for better talent and had very limited playing time. |
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That isn't the case at all really, his best 7 WAR years were all definitely at catcher. He had a couple approx. 2 WAR years after moving off of catcher, but not anything that would move the needle.
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