Joe Mauer...HOF yay, or nay? - Page 11

ThePretender · 08-23-2018, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

The Hall of Fame Monitor at baseball.reference.com shows Mauer with worse numbers that Scott Rolen, Cecil Cooper, or ... wait for it ... Tony Pena.

NONE of these guys are legit HoF candidates.

Scott Rolen should be a HoF. Outstanding bat with elite defence. Over the past 50 years the only 3B who have been better are A-Rod (If you consider him a 3B), Schmidt, Boggs, Chipper Jones, Brett, Beltre, and Miggy. Considering A-Rod and Miggy didn't play 3B for more than half their career, you can pretty safely call Rolen one of the 5 or 6 best 3B in the past 50 years.

If you go back a little further you have Brooks Robinson, but that's it.

Jeffy25 · 08-23-2018, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

The problem with JAWS to compare Mauer to other catchers is that using his best WAR years includes several seasons in which he wasn't a catcher.

His 7 best WAR seasons are

2009 - catcher
2010 - catcher
2006 - catcher
2013 - catcher
2008 - catcher
2012 - catcher
2007 - catcher

Each of these seasons, he spent more time at catcher than appearing in games he didn't catch. 2012 and 2013 he just missed catching half his teams total games, the other years he did at least that.

He's a catcher for career purposes.

dsvitak · 09-04-2018, 06:46 PM

Just ran across this..the 20 most OVER RATED MLB players.

Our boy Mauer is on the list.

20th most over rated? No.

19th? No.

18th? No.

17th? No.

16th? No.

15th? No.

14th? No.

13th? No.

12th? No.

11th? No.

10th? No.

9th? No.

8th? No.

7th? No.

6th? No.

5th? No.

4th? No.

Third? YES!!!! I started laughing when I saw this. I didn't even check to see who the first two were. I may go back and see.

Edit to add Matt Harvey at #2, and #1 Kyle Schwarber, he of the lifetime .228 average.

damientheomen3 · 09-05-2018, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Just ran across this..the 20 most OVER RATED MLB players.

Our boy Mauer is on the list.

20th most over rated? No.

19th? No.

18th? No.

17th? No.

16th? No.

15th? No.

14th? No.

13th? No.

12th? No.

11th? No.

10th? No.

9th? No.

8th? No.

7th? No.

6th? No.

5th? No.

4th? No.

Third? YES!!!! I started laughing when I saw this. I didn't even check to see who the first two were. I may go back and see.

Edit to add Matt Harvey at #2, and #1 Kyle Schwarber, he of the lifetime .228 average.

Cool story dude.

Jeffy25 · 09-06-2018, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Just ran across this..the 20 most OVER RATED MLB players.

Our boy Mauer is on the list.

20th most over rated? No.

19th? No.

18th? No.

17th? No.

16th? No.

15th? No.

14th? No.

13th? No.

12th? No.

11th? No.

10th? No.

9th? No.

8th? No.

7th? No.

6th? No.

5th? No.

4th? No.

Third? YES!!!! I started laughing when I saw this. I didn't even check to see who the first two were. I may go back and see.

Edit to add Matt Harvey at #2, and #1 Kyle Schwarber, he of the lifetime .228 average.

Schwarber recently turned 25 and has a career 112 wRC+

Rain King · 09-07-2018, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Schwarber recently turned 25 and has a career 112 wRC+

We only care about what happens in his Age 35 season.

damientheomen3 · 09-07-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

We only care about what happens in his Age 35 season.

Or where they place on some random Schmo's unsourced '20 most overrated MLB players' list apparently.

Cobra Mgr · 11-09-2018, 06:40 PM

Headed to Cooperstown.

damientheomen3 · 11-10-2018, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Headed to Cooperstown.

Welp he's probably not getting in now without the extra years to pad his totals.

I do find it funny though that you post an article that calls him an all-time-great catcher. Looks like you were on the other side the whole time!

Cobra Mgr · 11-10-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

Welp he's probably not getting in now without the extra years to pad his totals.

I do find it funny though that you post an article that calls him an all-time-great catcher. Looks like you were on the other side the whole time!

damientheomen3 · 11-11-2018, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Directly from the article:

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Defense aside, Mauer never measured up as more than an above-average player at first base. The question then becomes should he be judged by what he was, an all-time great catcher, and what he should have continued to be before concussions derailed his career, or should he be judged on becoming a first baseman who rarely gave his team an advantage at the plate.

Where am I wrong there?

Airdrop01 · 11-11-2018, 10:21 AM

What I still want to know is when Harrison Mantle is good enough to make the Hall, alongside Joe “I was a catcher dang it “ Mauer

Cobra Mgr · 11-11-2018, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

Directly from the article:

Where am I wrong there?

That I am "on the other side".

dsvitak · 11-17-2018, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

We only care about what happens in his Age 35 season.

****ing Mauer won't have another season. He's done like dinner. Can't even play first base well enough to keep a job, especially given his .388 SLG.

GeoWar · 11-17-2018, 11:38 PM

Mauer is a talented good major league player. He is no where close to Bench, Berra, Munson, Fisk, Piazza, ---- when looking at All Star appearances you must remember every team has to have some one ..... He was never the top player on Twins ... Carew, Hunter, Oliva, Kirby, etc...

So NO it would need to be a very weak class or the ESPN talking heads must really do promoting.

Rain King · 11-18-2018, 11:24 AM

He was never the top player on the Twins? He won an MVP. How many of those did Kirby Puckett have?

Qrusher14242 · 11-19-2018, 03:42 AM

I think Mauer had a fantastic peak but i would have to say no. He didn't last long enough and his move to 1B/DH didn't help. If Simmons didn't get in,i don't think he will.

View Poll Results: Should Joe Mauer be a HOF?
Yes, no doubt	19	42.22%
Not a chance	12	26.67%
He needs to play 14 more years, before I can decide	4	8.89%
Monkey rodeo	10	22.22%
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09-04-2018, 06:46 PM	#203
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,860	Just ran across this..the 20 most OVER RATED MLB players. Our boy Mauer is on the list. 20th most over rated? No. 19th? No. 18th? No. 17th? No. 16th? No. 15th? No. 14th? No. 13th? No. 12th? No. 11th? No. 10th? No. 9th? No. 8th? No. 7th? No. 6th? No. 5th? No. 4th? No. Third? YES!!!! I started laughing when I saw this. I didn't even check to see who the first two were. I may go back and see. Edit to add Matt Harvey at #2, and #1 Kyle Schwarber, he of the lifetime .228 average. Last edited by dsvitak; 09-04-2018 at 06:50 PM.

11-09-2018, 06:40 PM	#208
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,362	Headed to Cooperstown. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

11-11-2018, 10:21 AM	#212
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	What I still want to know is when Harrison Mantle is good enough to make the Hall, alongside Joe “I was a catcher dang it “ Mauer __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 11-11-2018 at 11:33 AM.

11-17-2018, 11:38 PM	#215
GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 819	Mauer is a talented good major league player. He is no where close to Bench, Berra, Munson, Fisk, Piazza, ---- when looking at All Star appearances you must remember every team has to have some one ..... He was never the top player on Twins ... Carew, Hunter, Oliva, Kirby, etc... So NO it would need to be a very weak class or the ESPN talking heads must really do promoting. __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !

11-18-2018, 11:24 AM	#216
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,108	He was never the top player on the Twins? He won an MVP. How many of those did Kirby Puckett have? Last edited by Rain King; 11-18-2018 at 11:25 AM.

11-19-2018, 03:42 AM	#217
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	I think Mauer had a fantastic peak but i would have to say no. He didn't last long enough and his move to 1B/DH didn't help. If Simmons didn't get in,i don't think he will. __________________ "Go then, there are other worlds than these"