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Japie
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In the Fighters Greyvenstein reports that in 1857 Mahmoud and Japie were fined 5 shillings each for a milling match in Capetown. This is, apparently, the first reported pugilistic event in South Africa. Japie HW boxer 0 Bear
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In the Fighters Greyvenstein reports that in 1857 Mahmoud and Japie were fined 5 shillings each for a milling match in Capetown. This is, apparently, the first reported pugilistic event in South Africa. Mahmoud HW slugger 0 Bear
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Is The Fighters still widely available? I am just now reading Bare Fists.
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Check the adavnced book exchange A link to ABE can be found here. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2519308 If you don't find one on shopping on ABE try Lion Street books. Mark Williams may have one there. Mark is a nice guy but somewhat pricey and shipping from the UK costs an arm and a leg. The late Chris Greyvenstein, was an IBRO member, and The Fighters is the best single volume history of boxing in South Africa. Book was published in 1981. Great photos, as Tosti can tell you. Biographical information on guys like Couper, Jeptha, and Laurie Stevens. Bear
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Eugene Rowan
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Global ID 221291 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States won 4 (KO 0) + lost 4 (KO 1) + drawn 7 = 15 128 lbs 1895-1900 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has born 1874 125-130 career span 1894-1900 TB 33 W 4 (2 ko, 2 wd) D 4 L 5 (2 ld, 3 kb) ND 20 EX 1 Boxrec gives 4 of the ND bouts newspaper results, 3 decision wins vs. Lenny, Boyle, and Bradley and a draw vs. Cleary. 3 decision loses and 6 draws are added by boxrec beyond what is given in Schutte Early no-decision era Philly boxer Eugene Rowan FW boxer 2
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Jack Reardon
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Global ID 55810 sex male division welterweight nationality United States residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States won 38 (KO 8) + lost 33 (KO 4) + drawn 24 = 95 1904-1913 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has same career span 135 lbs TB 67 W 7 (6 ko 1 wd) D 1 L 2 (2 kb) ND 57 Jack Reardon WW boxer 4
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Global ID 64550 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States won 3 (KO 0) + lost 7 (KO 4) + drawn 6 = 20 1894-1900 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has born 1869 died 1947-10-11 135-150 career span 1892-1900 TB 32 W 7 (1 ko 6 wd) D 4 L 12 (4 ld 1 lf 7 kb) ND 9 boxrec has newspaper results for ND vs Cleary and McPartland as a w and loss respectively Shutte's wd 4 vs Young Griffo is given as an ND in boxrec 1 additional wd, 1 draw, and 2 ND's are found in boxrec Has a losing record, but faced some big name competition 4 straight ko losses steered him into retirement Jerome Quigley LW boxer 1
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Global ID 60563 sex male division welterweight nationality United States residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States won 10 (KO 3) + lost 23 (KO 9) + drawn 19 = 58 1895-1907 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has 135-145 career span 1895-1912 including a 1 bout 1912 comeback after 1907 retirement TB 72 W 14 (ko 8 wd 6) D 6 L 23 (11 ld 2 lf 10 kb) ND 29 Billy Payne WW slugger 0
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Global ID 126195 sex male nationality United States residence Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States won 4 (KO 1) + lost 3 (KO 2) + drawn 1 = 8 1902-1908 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has 133-140 career span 1901-1908 TB 19 W 8 ( ko 6 wd 2) D 6 L 5 (3 ld 2 kb) EX 2 boxrec adds 2 wins and a ko loss not in Schutte Paddy Norton WW slugger 2 Bear
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Paddy Nee
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Global ID 69205 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence won 0 (KO 0) + lost 6 (KO 1) + drawn 3 = 9 1903-1908 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has born 1883 122-130 career span 1901-1911 TB 36 W 7 (ko 6 wd 1) D 8 L 18 (ld 15 KB 3) boxrec adds 2 decision losses and alters one ND to a draw Lost decision bout to Harry Forbes and Benny Yanger, drew with Forbes Claimed a win over Austin Rice Home appears to have been Chicago since most of his fighting centered in the midwest. Paddy Nee FW slugger 1 Bear
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Johnny Moneghan
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a prize ring claimant of the American LW title not in box rec 1855-1863 2 KO wins 2 KB losses 2 EX 1855-12-15 KO 45 rounds 51 minutes Jimmy Hart LW Championship of America 1856-07-19 KOB 10 or 17 Jimmy Hart LW Championship of America reclaimed title when Hart retired 1857-09-02 L KOB 80 rounds 3 hours 20 minutes Young Barney Aaron Prize Ring LW title bout 1857-11-23 EX 3 Jimmy Hart 1860-07-17 KO 80 Harry McClain 1863-04-16 EX 2 Hen Winckle Johnny Moneghan LW boxer 3 I rated him so thathe would conform with the conventions for pugilists that Chris is using in the Royal Explorers Club Bear
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Hughey Murphy
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Global ID 56395 sex male birth date 1880-05-30 death date 1952-10-12 division lightweight nationality United States residence New York, New York, United States birth place New York, NY won 15 (KO 4) + lost 10 (KO 6) + drawn 5 = 30 1899-1906 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has born (Walter Dickie) 118-125 1900-1906 TB 24 W 7 (3 ko 4 wd) D 5 L 9 (1 ld 1 lf 7 kb) ND 2 the 1899 bout in boxrec is a duplicate of the 1893 bout in which Eugene McCarthy died. I assume it to be an error and that Murphy's career began in 1900 box rec has 2 of his draws as newspaper decision wins a Schutte ko loss to Austin Rice is given as a decision loss 2 ND's are presented as a win over Young Murphy and a draw with Rice 4 additional decision wins,1 draw and 1 decision loss are also given in boxrec Hughey Murphy LW boxer 3 Bear
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Global ID 168794 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence New York, New York, United States birth name Eugene O'Connell won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 1 = 2 1902-1903 died 1903-01-21 Died after being stopped by Hughey Murphy in 15 Eugene McCarthy LW slugger 0
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Global ID 61832 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence Boston, Massachusetts, United States won 2 (KO 2) + lost 7 (KO 3) + drawn 4 = 13 1895-1903 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has born 1875-12-06 Lake Verd, Canada 5'5 130-135 1893-1903 as career span TB 43 W 23 (15 ko 7 wd 1 wf) D 11 L 7 (2 ld 1 lf 4kb) ND 3 boxrec adds 2 decision losses, 1 draw, and 1 tko win Schutte has him stopping Young Peter jackson in 4 in 1897 Joe Mullins LW slugger 4 Bear
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Global ID 149098 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence Baltimore, Maryland, United States won 16 (KO 9) + lost 16 (KO 7) + drawn 7 = 40 1895-1907 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has 5'9 135-145 1898-1908 as career span TB 44 W 20 (13 ko 7 wd) D 6 L 17 (6 ld 1 lf 10 kb) ND 1 A lot of differences between Schutte and box rec Schutte's ko loss to Joe Gans gived a a LD. 1 Ko loss changed to a DQ loss 1 KO loss changed to a Ko win, and another Ko loss changed to a draw 1 ND is changed to a newspaper win Also added are 1 KO win 1 WF 3 D 1 KB 3 LD 2 LF and 1 ND Herman Miller LW slugger 3
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Henry Miers
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Global ID 17462 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence won 16 (KO 3) + lost 8 (KO 3) + drawn 6 = 30 1907-1914 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has him as Henry Meyers 115-130 career span 1907-1914 TB 15 W 2 (wd 2) D3 L 7 (ld 3 lf 1 kb 3) ND 7 It appears like he boxed mainly as a bantamweight May have made Boston his home Henry Miers BW boxer 4
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Global ID 165700 sex male division welterweight nationality United States alias Amby residence won 12 (KO 3) + lost 12 (KO 2) + drawn 4 = 30 1905-1910 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has Amby McGarry born 1884-10-18 5' 7 130-135 same career span as boxrec TB 49 W 7 (ko 4 wd 2 wf 1) D 1 L (ld 4 kb 3) ND 34 Boxrec gives even results for 15 of Schutte's ND results: 7 wins 7 loses and a draw. A reported KO win over Young Kenny was changed to a NC because police halted the bout after Amby threw Kenny down. New are 1 KO win, 3 WD's and 2 LD's Appears to have been what the English term a useful fighter in the no decision era. Held is own versus stiff competition. Given his competition, the .500 record given by boxrec is quite laudable. Not sure where he hung his hat. Most of his activity centered in New York City and in philadelphia where he debuted. I gave him a HP of 3 using my understanding of the old Trunzo formula from the old manual and made no -2 deduction for low level competition. Ambrose McGarry WW boxer 4 Bear
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Global ID 57936 sex male division heavyweight nationality United States residence Rochester, New York, United States won 3 (KO 2) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 9 1897-1912 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has born 1875 Galway, Ireland 5' 10 145-170 Career span 1894-1903 TB 53 W 33 (ko 22 wd 11) D 6 L 11 (ld 5 kb 6) ND 3 Boxrec changes 1 win to a loss and 1 loss to a win adds 2 more losses, one in 1903 and a 1912 loss to Art Pelky in a comeback bout in 1912 after retiring in 1903 Schutte reports that he became a referee in Goldfield, Nevada after retiring in '03 and later promoted figths in Butte His record reminded me a lot of Lamar Clark's career Jack McDonough HW slugger 0 Bear
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Global ID 130514 sex male residence won 1 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 1 = 3 1881-1885 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has Charlie McCoy died 1888-02-23 in Philadelphia 130 lbs Career span 1881-1886 TB 15 W 8 (5 ko 2 wd 1 wf) D 1 L 6 (lf 1, kb 5) EX 4 All 3 boxrec results are in Schutte I suspect that given the time period his outings were described as exhibitions as a legal circumvention Charlie McCoy LW slugger 0 Bear
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Global ID 248600 sex male division lightweight residence won 4 (KO 0) + lost 18 (KO 2) + drawn 8 = 31 1900-1907 Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has 115-130 career span 1902-1907 TB 57 W 5 (ko 3 wf 2) D 5 L 5 (ld 1 kb 4) ND 42 Likely home was Philadelphia A no decision era opponent with a decent chin. Jack McClain LW boxer 0 Bear
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