Football Game Potential - Page 3

Sharkn20 · 03-26-2018, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ben e lou

fof has used the names of real players for several versions of the game now.

+1

mitch0301 · 04-08-2018, 09:21 AM

I’m hoping that there is an analytical approach used. It’s been a few years since I’ve played FOF so I think my judgement of it would be unfair. Anyway, I’ve been doing a deep dive on the fantasy side of the house and combining statistical analysis with physical traits is really startling to catch on as a predictor of success. Newer stats I look at include college dominator (% of offensive share in players respective offense), breakout age (when that player receives a certain % of offensive share), speed scores (height adjusted for WR’s), agility scores, SPARQ, target share, contested catch rate, top in game speed (MPH), DB’s QB rating against and % targeted, etc. I have no doubt, given OOTP’s depth, that this will definitely be a goal. I just hope resources like PFF, Player Profiler, NFLDraftScout, Graham Barfield (fantasy guru), Warren Sharp, Evan Silva and others are at least browsed to get a feel for how statistics based scouting can look in a game that traditionally relies on scouts that cherish physicality, arbitrary insite into technique and raw athletic ability over whether the statistical trends based on trackable athleticism and past performance can be indicative of the future. Just my $.02, I’ll be buying the first iteration of this game with high hopes.

Gil Thorp · 04-12-2018, 05:03 PM

This is great news. I haven't played OOTP since v16 but I've been playing FOF all along. And I'm probably in the minority playing solo not mp. In my current game, I'm chasing the Buffalo Bills record for Super Bowl ineptitude, having lost 3 in a row and currently at 7-3 I may have a shot at it. Looking forward to changes in the interface and Face Gen if it can be added. Before major features are added, how about fixing a few things: Improve the AI end of half/game clock management and play calling, an AI that doesn't continually run the ball in the second half when down by a lot, cosmetic things like a better name file and better heights/weights--I'm sick of seeing 5' 10" DE's and 5'7" safeties though this has been improved with v8. I hate the glitch in the PBP where a player is described as blitzing and then makes the tackle on a pass 30 yards down the field. Defensive play calling needs to be improved as someone mentioned and for those of us playing as GM, how about information on the coordinators blitz tendencies and coverage preferences. More roster flexibility is needed and the ability to set complete depth charts, including special teams.Just a few examples off the top of my head and longtime players can likely add many more pressing issues.

I see big problems adding historical play. Think about it. Baseball really hasn't changed in over a hundred years. A pitcher pitches, a batter hits the ball and a fielder fields it. Only the statistics have changed. A sac bunt and a hit and run work the same today as they did a hundred years ago. Only their frequency has changed. With football you're dealing with formations and playbooks changing over the years not just statistics. A game engine that accurately models both today's game and a single wing offense against a 6-2 defense, good luck with that.

swoboda · 04-12-2018, 05:43 PM

Historical play , even if it is just post 1960, a must IMO, maybe not in version 1 but hopefully version 2.

Rizzo · 04-12-2018, 08:43 PM

I know originally BTS was boasting the ability to control the college programs. I don't think that was to be implemented into v1 but if FOF could add that into its game over time that would be amazing.

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Zorro · 04-12-2018, 09:15 PM

Does anyone play DDSPF? They have historical seasons with 2d graphics. The game is a lot of fun to follow the history of Pro Football as you guide your team (Hopefully) to a NFL Championship. I started my league in 1960 taking over the LA Rams............Z

nbryant · 04-14-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizzo

I know originally BTS was boasting the ability to control the college programs. I don't think that was to be implemented into v1 but if FOF could add that into its game over time that would be amazing.

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Considering Jim already has an engine for a college system (TCY) it very likely could be part of the game, or an expansion to it, that would bring nothing but goodness to an exciting possibility.

Tunnelrunner · 04-15-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by swoboda

Historical play , even if it is just post 1960, a must IMO, maybe not in version 1 but hopefully version 2.

Definitely. I would love to coach some of my favorite classic NFL teams of yesteryear (the 1985 Chicago Bears, the 1990 Los Angeles Raiders, etc.).

The Football Mogul series already lets you do this but I have no doubt that OOTP will eventually craft something that surpasses any football sim we've ever seen (in time, of course).

Kobeck · 05-15-2018, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nbryant

Considering Jim already has an engine for a college system (TCY) it very likely could be part of the game, or an expansion to it, that would bring nothing but goodness to an exciting possibility.

He has a fully functional browser based version of FOF... or so he has stated.

Plus he has put out some amazing research articles as well.

Ben E Lou · 05-16-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobeck

He has a fully functional browser based version of FOF... or so he has stated.

Reference? I've never seen that stated.

Kobeck · 06-07-2018, 11:40 AM

I read it in one of his biography thingys he had... seems like it was the one with the picture of him on the NFL pregame set...

possibly around the time he made up that card game... up a river or something like that

Pontuzzza · 07-25-2018, 02:13 PM

The hype is on. Hope that FOF is going to use Facegen. Note: I only played around in Photoshop.

04-08-2018, 09:21 AM	#42
mitch0301 Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 10	I’m hoping that there is an analytical approach used. It’s been a few years since I’ve played FOF so I think my judgement of it would be unfair. Anyway, I’ve been doing a deep dive on the fantasy side of the house and combining statistical analysis with physical traits is really startling to catch on as a predictor of success. Newer stats I look at include college dominator (% of offensive share in players respective offense), breakout age (when that player receives a certain % of offensive share), speed scores (height adjusted for WR’s), agility scores, SPARQ, target share, contested catch rate, top in game speed (MPH), DB’s QB rating against and % targeted, etc. I have no doubt, given OOTP’s depth, that this will definitely be a goal. I just hope resources like PFF, Player Profiler, NFLDraftScout, Graham Barfield (fantasy guru), Warren Sharp, Evan Silva and others are at least browsed to get a feel for how statistics based scouting can look in a game that traditionally relies on scouts that cherish physicality, arbitrary insite into technique and raw athletic ability over whether the statistical trends based on trackable athleticism and past performance can be indicative of the future. Just my $.02, I’ll be buying the first iteration of this game with high hopes. __________________ "Mattingly! I told you to trim those sideburns! Go home! You're off the team for good!" "Fine... Still like him better than Steinbrenner."

04-12-2018, 05:43 PM	#44
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,205	Historical play , even if it is just post 1960, a must IMO, maybe not in version 1 but hopefully version 2. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

04-12-2018, 09:15 PM	#46
Zorro Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,944 Blog Entries: 3	Does anyone play DDSPF? They have historical seasons with 2d graphics. The game is a lot of fun to follow the history of Pro Football as you guide your team (Hopefully) to a NFL Championship. I started my league in 1960 taking over the LA Rams............Z Last edited by Zorro; 04-12-2018 at 09:23 PM.

06-07-2018, 11:40 AM	#51
Kobeck Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 488	I read it in one of his biography thingys he had... seems like it was the one with the picture of him on the NFL pregame set... possibly around the time he made up that card game... up a river or something like that Last edited by Kobeck; 06-07-2018 at 11:41 AM.

07-25-2018, 02:13 PM	#52
Pontuzzza Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Sweden Posts: 378	The hype is on. Hope that FOF is going to use Facegen. Note: I only played around in Photoshop. Last edited by Pontuzzza; 07-25-2018 at 02:19 PM.

04-12-2018, 05:03 PM	#43
Gil Thorp Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milford Posts: 349	This is great news. I haven't played OOTP since v16 but I've been playing FOF all along. And I'm probably in the minority playing solo not mp. In my current game, I'm chasing the Buffalo Bills record for Super Bowl ineptitude, having lost 3 in a row and currently at 7-3 I may have a shot at it. Looking forward to changes in the interface and Face Gen if it can be added. Before major features are added, how about fixing a few things: Improve the AI end of half/game clock management and play calling, an AI that doesn't continually run the ball in the second half when down by a lot, cosmetic things like a better name file and better heights/weights--I'm sick of seeing 5' 10" DE's and 5'7" safeties though this has been improved with v8. I hate the glitch in the PBP where a player is described as blitzing and then makes the tackle on a pass 30 yards down the field. Defensive play calling needs to be improved as someone mentioned and for those of us playing as GM, how about information on the coordinators blitz tendencies and coverage preferences. More roster flexibility is needed and the ability to set complete depth charts, including special teams.Just a few examples off the top of my head and longtime players can likely add many more pressing issues. I see big problems adding historical play. Think about it. Baseball really hasn't changed in over a hundred years. A pitcher pitches, a batter hits the ball and a fielder fields it. Only the statistics have changed. A sac bunt and a hit and run work the same today as they did a hundred years ago. Only their frequency has changed. With football you're dealing with formations and playbooks changing over the years not just statistics. A game engine that accurately models both today's game and a single wing offense against a 6-2 defense, good luck with that.

04-12-2018, 08:43 PM	#45
Rizzo Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 254	I know originally BTS was boasting the ability to control the college programs. I don't think that was to be implemented into v1 but if FOF could add that into its game over time that would be amazing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro