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Old 11-09-2013, 04:34 AM   #20061
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1969 Cleveland Indians - part 2

1969 Cleveland Indians - part 2

Lou Johnson (Photo) / Ken Suarez (Photo) / Russ Snyder (Photo) / Duke Sims (Topps Vault) / Phil Hennigan (Topps Vault)
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Old 11-09-2013, 04:41 AM   #20062
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Cleveland Indians - late 50s & early 60s

Herb Score (1956 Photo) / Dick Tomanek (1957 Topps Vault) / George Strickland (1959 Topps Vault) / Granny Hamner (1959 Topps Vault) / Carl Mathias (1960 Photo)
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:27 AM   #20063
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Ex-Phils Hamner & Jones with Cleveland

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Hey B70:
Wow! A Granny Hamner as an Indian photo is a pretty rare find. When I asked the forum more than a year ago if anyone had a photo of Granny with Cleveland, nobody had any. You wouldn't also happen to have a
Willie "Puddin' Head" Jones photo from the 1959 Indians. Like his ex-Phillies teammate Hamner, Jones had a very brief stay with The Tribe.
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:50 PM   #20064
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4 Giants & a White Sox

These are just five photos I found today on this site Main Line Autographs

I know I have been to it before, but I found a dozen new photos I never saw before including these and I barely checked a fraction of the photos. They either just got a lot of new ones or I have just not been too thorough. Anyway, here are two nice Matty Alou images, Bill O'Dell that is really nice and the best Willie Kirkland with Giants I have ever seen; The Sandy Alomar Sr of the White Sox is excellent also. Say, I don't suppose anyone has an Alomar with the '69 white sox?
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:53 PM   #20065
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Hey B70:
Wow! A Granny Hamner as an Indian photo is a pretty rare find. When I asked the forum more than a year ago if anyone had a photo of Granny with Cleveland, nobody had any. You wouldn't also happen to have a
Willie "Puddin' Head" Jones photo from the 1959 Indians. Like his ex-Phillies teammate Hamner, Jones had a very brief stay with The Tribe.

No. Sorry. I do not have Willie Jones. I wish Hamner had his hat on but we take what is offered I suppose.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:07 PM   #20066
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Cleveland Indians - late 50s & early 60s - part 2

Woody Held (1958 Topps Vault)

Wynn Hawkins (1959 Topps Vault)

Johnny Temple (1960 or 1961 Photo)

Willie Kirkland (1961 Topps Vault)

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Old 11-09-2013, 02:01 PM   #20067
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No. Sorry. I do not have Willie Jones. I wish Hamner had his hat on but we take what is offered I suppose.
I believe that Hamner and Jones were both traded by the Phils to Cleveland in May '59 about three weeks apart. While Hamner STAYED WITH THE iNDIANS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, Jones WAS TRADED AGAIN, this time to Cincinnati after only a few weeks in the American League. That could explain why Jones' photos with Cleveland don't seem to exist today, because he was there for such a short time.
Maybe a Jones photo as an Indian exists if there was a revised Indians' yearbook or maybe his photo is in an Indians' program from May or June of '59.
Anyhow, thanks for posting the Hamner photo. I'd just about given up hope of ever seeing a photo of him with the Indians.

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Old 11-09-2013, 04:09 PM   #20068
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:54 PM   #20070
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1965 Cleveland Indians

1965 Cleveland Indians

Mike Hedlund (Topps Vault) / Ralph Terry (Topps Vault) / Jack Spring (Topps Vault) / Richie Scheinblum (Topps Vault) / Phil Roof (Photo)
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:18 PM   #20071
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Al McBean 1970

I noticed on the request list a sleeveless 1970 Al McBean/Pirates.

It won't exist - because he would never have worn the pullovers. They were introduced in mid-July after Three Rivers Stadium opened, but McBean was released by the Pirates on May 18.
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:56 PM   #20072
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Also, Phil Hennigan, Isn't

The '69-'70 Indians Topps Vault photo on this page of the LHP, identified as Phil Hennigan, is actually a career minor league named Jim Braxton.

THIS is Phil Hennigan.

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Old 11-09-2013, 07:55 PM   #20073
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Thanks for the correction and info on McBean

I confess that I did not realize that the pull over jerseys were not worn until July in 1970. Is the story the same for the 1967 Reds? I have seen spring training photos with the sleeveless jersey but have read that the change to the sleeves was done for 1967. Was it too a partial season with both or was the change made before opening day? Thanks again

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THIS is Phil Hennigan.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:35 PM   #20074
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'67 Reds

Excellent question.

All the photographic evidence I've ever seen suggests the Reds wore their '61-'66 style sleeveless unis and white crown/red brim caps in Spring Training '67, then switched to the sleeved unis and red caps on Opening Day.

But this is a curious sequence of photos.

1. A group shot of '67 Reds - among them Ernie Broglio and Aurelio Monteagudo, who were only with the team in 1967 spring training. '66 style shirts.

2. The shot of Monteagudo in the '67 Reds yearbook - in a '67 uniform! I think it's possible that Monteagudo made the opening day roster (which were still 28 men in 1967 with a cutback to 25 around May 15) and that's when they photographed him. Or, there was a team-only photo day late in spring training wearing the new '67 unis.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:53 PM   #20075
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I believe that Hamner and Jones were both traded by the Phils to Cleveland in May '59 about three weeks apart. While Hamner STAYED WITH THE iNDIANS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, Jones WAS TRADED AGAIN, this time to Cincinnati after only a few weeks in the American League. That could explain why Jones' photos with Cleveland don't seem to exist today, because he was there for such a short time.
Maybe a Jones photo as an Indian exists if there was a revised Indians' yearbook or maybe his photo is in an Indians' program from May or June of '59.
Anyhow, thanks for posting the Hamner photo. I'd just about given up hope of ever seeing a photo of him with the Indians.
I have (below) a terrible copy of a 1959 Indians team photo including both Hamner and Jones. I've been searching for a nicer version for years, but this is the best I've found.
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The '69-'70 Indians Topps Vault photo on this page of the LHP, identified as Phil Hennigan, is actually a career minor league named Jim Braxton.

THIS is Phil Hennigan.
Thanks! Another file to correct. I should have caught that Hennigan was not left handed.

That leads to another question however in line with the Pirates & Reds questions: I have several 1972 Indians Topps Vault photos where the guys are wearing pinstripes and dark hats but the 1972 Indians wore the red hats and solid unis. Did they switch to the new uniforms after spring training?

Examples: Phil Hennigan (1972 Topps Vault) obviously from spring training & Phil Hennigan (1972 Topps Vault) obviously from the regular season.

Additional: 2 more 1972 Topps Vault Indians from spring training:

Denny Riddleberger & Mike Hershberger
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I confess that I did not realize that the pull over jerseys were not worn until July in 1970. Is the story the same for the 1967 Reds? I have seen spring training photos with the sleeveless jersey but have read that the change to the sleeves was done for 1967. Was it too a partial season with both or was the change made before opening day? Thanks again
This explains another mystery as I have several Topps Vault Pirates photos labeled 1970 but the players have the "No Sleeves" uniforms on. I assumed that they were mislabeled and really were from 1969.

Example: Both of these Richie Hebners are labeled 1970.
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One more possible uniform change

Again the Cleveland Indians of 1970.

Dean Chance only played for the Indians in 1970. You will notice the uniform on his Topps card (made during Spring Training) and the uniform from the photo are quite different uniforms.

Why did Cleveland change uniforms so much back then? Maybe it was a common thing in the late 60s or early 70s to wear your old uniforms in Spring Training and break out the new ones on opening day?
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Are you sure that is Hershberger? It resembles him somewhat but I don't think it is him. I checked BBR and he never played for the Indians organization and in this interview he says that when the Sox released him he didn't play baseball again.

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[QUOTE=Sir Lurksalot;3599314]Are you sure that is Hershberger? It resembles him somewhat but I don't think it is him. I checked BBR and he never played for the Indians organization and in this interview he says that when the Sox released him he didn't play baseball again.

You sure got it right, Hershberger never played for the Indians. It looks a bit like Gomer Hodge.
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