Lucas Giolito constantly injured within first two innings

johnwlits · 04-05-2020, 01:41 AM

Is anyone else experiencing this? I've started three or four new White Sox franchises, and this doesn't even appear to be randomized. Giolito is constantly getting knocked out of these games right at the start, regardless of whether I hire a $500,000-per-year trainer with very high arm injury prevention ratings. What's the deal? I'm at the point now where I'm just going to the task manager and rage quitting the game because it's getting old seeing this over and over again.

I get that players get hurt...I get that good players have bad games...but this is starting to feel like some BS.

Sorry to come here to rant, but it's cathartic, and I'm curious if anyone else has encountered this.

jimmysthebestcop · 04-05-2020, 01:44 AM

Haven't noticed. But it's your game play it how you want. You don't want his injury just edit it off of him.

Argonaut · 04-05-2020, 01:46 AM

Giolito is very injury prone in OOTP. He's got it worse than anyone I can think of besides Darvish.

johnwlits · 04-05-2020, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Argonaut

Giolito is very injury prone in OOTP. He's got it worse than anyone I can think of besides Darvish.

This makes me feel vaguely more sane.

wallewalls · 04-05-2020, 10:49 AM

Giolito was forced to retire because of an injury in my save. Had 2 TJS in less than 5 years or something like that. Was a 6 WAR pitcher at his peak, but now retired before age 30 iirc

JasonC23 · 04-05-2020, 11:23 AM

I feel compelled to point out the following excerpt from a post on the Sox Machine White Sox fan site entitled, "So, how are we getting by?" (bold added by me for emphasis):

Greg: "And I’ve been managing the 2020 Chicago White Sox in Out of the Park Baseball 21. We’re nearing the end of June, and the Greg Sox are currently 44-31, a 1/2 game behind Cleveland in the AL Central. We ended April 22-9 as Gio Gonzalez won AL Pitcher of the Month, but regression hit hard over the next two months (he now has a 5.73 ERA). I traded for Chris Archer, Keone Kela, and Brandon Kintzler to fortify the pitching staff, which has gotten good work from Reynaldo Lopez and Dallas Keuchel. Unfortunately, Lucas Giolito has made only three starts because of a partially torn labrum 😬. On the bright side, Luis Robert, Yoan Moncada, and Tim Anderson are all crushing it. Can you tell I miss baseball?"

https://www.soxmachine.com/2020/04/0...-we-getting-by

Argonaut · 04-05-2020, 11:59 AM

I think there's only 3 things you can do with these injury-prone pitchers.

1) Give them an 80-95 pitch count (20-30 in spring training) and maybe have a 6 man rotation.

2) Trade them away ASAP.

3) Just ride them until their arm falls off.

fuzzy_patters · 04-05-2020, 12:11 PM

Yes, I've had the same problem. At one point, he was knocked out of four successive starts before finishing the second inning with a day-to-day injury.

jacobp · 04-05-2020, 05:56 PM

Giolito just went on the DL for me after two starts in a 2020 replay.

Bunktown Ballers · 04-06-2020, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwlits

Is anyone else experiencing this? I've started three or four new White Sox franchises, and this doesn't even appear to be randomized. Giolito is constantly getting knocked out of these games right at the start, regardless of whether I hire a $500,000-per-year trainer with very high arm injury prevention ratings. What's the deal? I'm at the point now where I'm just going to the task manager and rage quitting the game because it's getting old seeing this over and over again.

I get that players get hurt...I get that good players have bad games...but this is starting to feel like some BS.

Sorry to come here to rant, but it's cathartic, and I'm curious if anyone else has encountered this.

I've started 2 White Sox seasons and both have Giolito having arm surgery after 3rd start...lol...There goes hope....lol

The Yurpman · 04-06-2020, 01:18 PM

I never noticed Giolito was so injury prone. I decided to look at my Red Sox save I have. It's May 8, 2020 in my game. So, like a month into the season. Giolito had a "mild abdominal strain" and was out for 3 days. Then came back and has "shoulder surgery (scar tissue)" as an injury now, out for 3-4 weeks.

He's made it through three games! Only 8.2 innings total, though, since he got injured his last two starts...

backupbatboy · 04-06-2020, 01:48 PM

I traded for Giolito in the offseason between '20 and '21, gave up a mint for him. He made it 14 starts (with Cy Young worthy numbers) before suffering a 13 month injury. So late in the next season, after rehab and low pitch counts, his overall is down to 70 (100% accuracy), and he makes it 4 starts before a 5 month injury. I traded him for a couple mediocre prospects at that point.

TomVeal · 04-06-2020, 02:00 PM

"Under the hood", Giolito has 180 out of 200 proneness to arm injuries. I wonder whether that's a typo.

Mike D · 04-06-2020, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwlits

Is anyone else experiencing this? I've started three or four new White Sox franchises, and this doesn't even appear to be randomized. Giolito is constantly getting knocked out of these games right at the start,

Seems, like its fine to me.

itsmb8 · 04-06-2020, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TomVeal

"Under the hood", Giolito has 180 out of 200 proneness to arm injuries. I wonder whether that's a typo.

that has to be a typo. AFAIK he has been that fragile aside from a 10-day DL stint thanks to a lat injury at the end of last season.

EDIT: Yeah, he's only 25, no major injuries, other injury ratings are all under 100... Probably should be 80 instead of 180.

jimmysthebestcop · 04-06-2020, 06:16 PM

Again edit him. It's your universe. Only way to fix the wrongs.

steamrollers · 04-06-2020, 07:18 PM

It's clearly got to be a mistake on release. Like just about everyone else Giolito is injured in my league. In the first season he was dominating and I was looking into a massive trade to try to get another very young ace pitcher to pair with Flaherty. I just couldn't pull the trigger since they wanted so much, about a month later on the calendar he blew out his arm and missed over a year. Now he is "fragile" and looks nothing like he did before.

Argonaut · 04-06-2020, 11:31 PM

I think it's a carryover from OOTP20 because he was quite injury prone there too.

Giolito did have Tommy John surgery as a high schooler so he may be higher risk than the average pitcher. But he's probably not worth 180/200 susceptibility. That's a one way ticket to Wrecked status.

Maybe worth a post in the bug forum.

ohiodevil · 04-06-2020, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsmb8

that has to be a typo. AFAIK he has been that fragile aside from a 10-day DL stint thanks to a lat injury at the end of last season.

EDIT: Yeah, he's only 25, no major injuries, other injury ratings are all under 100... Probably should be 80 instead of 180.

FWIW I looked at his history in the database and he has had that 180/200 rating since 2015.....I am not sure if that is intentional because he has had Tommy John in High School, but he has been that injury prone for 5 versions of the game. I will mention it and see if this warrants another look (I don't handle the MLB rosters). For now, just edit him in your games.

Lukas Berger · 04-07-2020, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

FWIW I looked at his history in the database and he has had that 180/200 rating since 2015.....I am not sure if that is intentional because he has had Tommy John in High School, but he has been that injury prone for 5 versions of the game. I will mention it and see if this warrants another look (I don't handle the MLB rosters). For now, just edit him in your games.

I lowered/fixed it now.

04-05-2020, 01:41 AM	#1
johnwlits Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 32	Lucas Giolito constantly injured within first two innings Is anyone else experiencing this? I've started three or four new White Sox franchises, and this doesn't even appear to be randomized. Giolito is constantly getting knocked out of these games right at the start, regardless of whether I hire a $500,000-per-year trainer with very high arm injury prevention ratings. What's the deal? I'm at the point now where I'm just going to the task manager and rage quitting the game because it's getting old seeing this over and over again. I get that players get hurt...I get that good players have bad games...but this is starting to feel like some BS. Sorry to come here to rant, but it's cathartic, and I'm curious if anyone else has encountered this.

04-05-2020, 01:46 AM	#3
Argonaut All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,085	Giolito is very injury prone in OOTP. He's got it worse than anyone I can think of besides Darvish. __________________ Texas Rangers Dynasty (Est. 1972) Hartford Whalers Dynasty: Brass Bonanza

04-05-2020, 11:23 AM	#6
JasonC23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 865	I feel compelled to point out the following excerpt from a post on the Sox Machine White Sox fan site entitled, "So, how are we getting by?" (bold added by me for emphasis): Greg: "And I’ve been managing the 2020 Chicago White Sox in Out of the Park Baseball 21. We’re nearing the end of June, and the Greg Sox are currently 44-31, a 1/2 game behind Cleveland in the AL Central. We ended April 22-9 as Gio Gonzalez won AL Pitcher of the Month, but regression hit hard over the next two months (he now has a 5.73 ERA). I traded for Chris Archer, Keone Kela, and Brandon Kintzler to fortify the pitching staff, which has gotten good work from Reynaldo Lopez and Dallas Keuchel. Unfortunately, Lucas Giolito has made only three starts because of a partially torn labrum 😬. On the bright side, Luis Robert, Yoan Moncada, and Tim Anderson are all crushing it. Can you tell I miss baseball?" https://www.soxmachine.com/2020/04/0...-we-getting-by __________________

04-05-2020, 11:59 AM	#7
Argonaut All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,085	I think there's only 3 things you can do with these injury-prone pitchers. 1) Give them an 80-95 pitch count (20-30 in spring training) and maybe have a 6 man rotation. 2) Trade them away ASAP. 3) Just ride them until their arm falls off. __________________ Texas Rangers Dynasty (Est. 1972) Hartford Whalers Dynasty: Brass Bonanza

04-06-2020, 11:31 PM	#18
Argonaut All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,085	I think it's a carryover from OOTP20 because he was quite injury prone there too. Giolito did have Tommy John surgery as a high schooler so he may be higher risk than the average pitcher. But he's probably not worth 180/200 susceptibility. That's a one way ticket to Wrecked status. Maybe worth a post in the bug forum. __________________ Texas Rangers Dynasty (Est. 1972) Hartford Whalers Dynasty: Brass Bonanza

04-05-2020, 01:44 AM	#2
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,728 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Haven't noticed. But it's your game play it how you want. You don't want his injury just edit it off of him.

04-05-2020, 10:49 AM	#5
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Giolito was forced to retire because of an injury in my save. Had 2 TJS in less than 5 years or something like that. Was a 6 WAR pitcher at his peak, but now retired before age 30 iirc

04-05-2020, 12:11 PM	#8
fuzzy_patters All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,804	Yes, I've had the same problem. At one point, he was knocked out of four successive starts before finishing the second inning with a day-to-day injury.

04-05-2020, 05:56 PM	#9
jacobp Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 31	Giolito just went on the DL for me after two starts in a 2020 replay.

04-06-2020, 01:18 PM	#11
The Yurpman Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 318	I never noticed Giolito was so injury prone. I decided to look at my Red Sox save I have. It's May 8, 2020 in my game. So, like a month into the season. Giolito had a "mild abdominal strain" and was out for 3 days. Then came back and has "shoulder surgery (scar tissue)" as an injury now, out for 3-4 weeks. He's made it through three games! Only 8.2 innings total, though, since he got injured his last two starts...

04-06-2020, 01:48 PM	#12
backupbatboy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 35	I traded for Giolito in the offseason between '20 and '21, gave up a mint for him. He made it 14 starts (with Cy Young worthy numbers) before suffering a 13 month injury. So late in the next season, after rehab and low pitch counts, his overall is down to 70 (100% accuracy), and he makes it 4 starts before a 5 month injury. I traded him for a couple mediocre prospects at that point.

04-06-2020, 02:00 PM	#13
TomVeal All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Spanaway, Washington Posts: 1,181	"Under the hood", Giolito has 180 out of 200 proneness to arm injuries. I wonder whether that's a typo.

04-06-2020, 06:16 PM	#16
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,728 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Again edit him. It's your universe. Only way to fix the wrongs.

04-06-2020, 07:18 PM	#17
steamrollers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 89	It's clearly got to be a mistake on release. Like just about everyone else Giolito is injured in my league. In the first season he was dominating and I was looking into a massive trade to try to get another very young ace pitcher to pair with Flaherty. I just couldn't pull the trigger since they wanted so much, about a month later on the calendar he blew out his arm and missed over a year. Now he is "fragile" and looks nothing like he did before.