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11-15-2019, 10:12 AM | #21 |
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Wasn't the same thing done a few years back or was it someone with binoculars or something?
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11-15-2019, 09:03 PM | #24 |
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I wonder if MLB will grab the Astros trophy and #TakeItBack
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11-16-2019, 09:53 AM | #25 |
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I have actually wondered that myself. I'm not sure anyone particularly cares to get philosophical on a baseball game thread but isn't the real question about the importance society has placed on winning? Is there a "fair" way or is it at all costs? I think Rizon said it best with his comment about missing how sports used to appear through the eyes of a child. It was all innocent and pure. Sucks how age and enlightenment destroys that.
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11-16-2019, 11:56 AM | #27 |
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I'd be curious if this turns out to be another steroids-type thing where, really, everybody is doing it but only one or two get caught.
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11-17-2019, 09:55 AM | #28 |
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Of course that's fair. Bigger cities have more stores and bigger stores. It's unfair that they can't have sport teams with higher payrolls.
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Obviously not everybody was doing steroids.
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And I don't say that because the Astros beat the Yankees in the ALCS in 2017. They deserved to win because they had the better team but to the extent that they cheated in that series, the rest of the post-season, and in the regular season in order to get there . . . The Astros suck. Anyway, this is what I came to report: Heh. “If you want to talk about baseball, I’ll talk about baseball." How about CHEATING at baseball, jackass? That's about baseball, I'd say. This behavior indicates that he knows his team's ass is in a sling and that the 2017 World Series championship trophy now has a permanent stain on it. There should be heads rolling and big fines flowing. Depending on how this person handles the situation, perhaps he should be forced to sell the team. Maybe he should be reticent at this time, until the extent of this is known. But when that time is over, he might start with a bit of humility and contrition.
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And another thing. There better not be any goddamned garbage can banging or rhythmic whistling coming from Red Sox or Mets dugouts in the foreseeable future, if the allegations in that article as to who is implicated in the scheme are true.
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The Sean Payton penalty would be way too light for Hinch. He should get at least two years, probably more as the on-the-field leader. Current coaching staff members who were involved should get at least a year... GM Luhnow should get at least a two-year ban and a huge fine. The Astros as an organization should get a massive fine and the loss of several draft picks... I wouldn't issue a post-season ban, but I'd make sure the overall effect of the punishment would effectively keep the 'stros out of the playoffs for several years. (For example, the above punishments plus a multi-year national TV ban would likely keep the team from keeping its own free agents and from attracting others)... Whatever the punishment is, if the organization, players, fans, etc., are still saying "worth it" after the punishment has come down and had a chance to take hold, then the punishment will not have been enough. Manfred is going to have some big decisions to make. For example, for players/coaches who were totally in on it but are now holding significant roles with other teams (Cora and Beltran, as examples), how much should those guys be punished? IOW, a long suspension would have the effect of punishing the Red Sox and Mets, too. I don't know that I'd go as far as stripping the 2017 title from the Astros, but a case could be made for that. I'd definitely give it an asterisk... (How about temporarily vacating the 2017 title, reuniting the Dodgers' and Yankees' 2017 rosters as close as possible, and having them square off in a best-of-seven for the "2017 Title" this coming spring? ) As a side note, I heard speculation today that the Astros' recently-fired assistant GM, Brandon Taubman, might be one to watch here. He likely has knowledge of the cheating, no real baseball management future to protect, and thus possibly an axe to grind... |
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I think that says it all right there.
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