Inclusion of the international leagues - not getting enough hype

[nutt]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Well, Korea's a bit lower than Japan. I have Korea at AA level, shaded slightly toward AAA. Whereas Japan is at AAAA level.

As for Australia, yeah, you're certainly right on that. There are a lot of guys who play in AAA or AA in affiliated ball who also play in Australia in winter, so I think an overall assessment of A level is certainly not too high and may even be a bit low.

When I was doing my own template, or modding the WOB template, I always had the foreign leagues at these levels:

*** - 4A (.9 modifiers I think)
KBO - AAA
Mexico - AAA
CPBL - between AA and AAA
ABL - could argue this is A-Ball level talent with a LOT of A ball and rookie talents on development deals every winter
SNB - Hard to gather info on Cuba without knowing if it's level is to AA or AAA
IBL - Low A
HH - Low A

Independent Leagues:

Atlantic - Hybrid AA/AAA
AA - Hybrid A/AA
Can-Am - Hybrid A/AA
Freedom Pro - Low A
Pacific Pro - Low A
Pecos - High A
ULB - Low A

Winter Leagues:

Dominicana - AAAA
Venezuela - AAA
Puerto Rico - AAA
Mexican Winter - AAA
The Latin American Leagues - Hybrid A/AA

[sandman2575]

I'm a little confused as to what 15 is adding that isn't already in 14? I understand real rosters will be included (which is awesome) as well as some new international leagues like Oz and Italy (again, awesome).

I guess I don't see how 15's intl. leagues will differ that much from those currently included in 14?

[edit] -- or is the innovation that you can play the Real 2014 MLB season Quickstart with the international leagues included? (I haven't played the 2013 MLB Quickstart so don't know if that's new or not?)

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by sandman2575

[edit] -- or is the innovation that you can play the Real 2014 MLB season Quickstart with the international leagues included? (I haven't played the 2013 MLB Quickstart so don't know if that's new or not?)

Mostly that.

Plus there'll be some new functionality that recreates rl rules and that better regulates player movement between multiple leagues in the same universe.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by nutt

When I was doing my own template, or modding the WOB template, I always had the foreign leagues at these levels:

*** - 4A (.9 modifiers I think)
KBO - AAA
Mexico - AAA
CPBL - between AA and AAA
ABL - could argue this is A-Ball level talent with a LOT of A ball and rookie talents on development deals every winter
SNB - Hard to gather info on Cuba without knowing if it's level is to AA or AAA
IBL - Low A
HH - Low A

Independent Leagues:

Atlantic - Hybrid AA/AAA
AA - Hybrid A/AA
Can-Am - Hybrid A/AA
Freedom Pro - Low A
Pacific Pro - Low A
Pecos - High A
ULB - Low A

Winter Leagues:

Dominicana - AAAA
Venezuela - AAA
Puerto Rico - AAA
Mexican Winter - AAA
The Latin American Leagues - Hybrid A/AA

Most of those levels are a bit high according to my research.

f.e. no offense, but there's no way in heck that the IBL or HH are anything close to low A.

A lot of decent young players from those leagues with multi-year histories of solid performance in their national leagues are unable to get D1 scholarships in the US. They end up at Jucos and D2 schools and perform reasonably well, but are unspectacular at those levels and never sniff pro contracts. One young multi year SP in the HH (who admittedly plays for the worst team in the league, by far) has a highest recorded velocity around 82.

To even hang a R level tag on the IBL or HH is quite optimistic. Quite a few players in those leagues are certainly AA or even higher level talent but many of the roster filler types are not US pro level players in any way shape or form. Maybe more like D2 or D3 level guys.

But all this is debatable.

No one really has a super firm handle on exactly where each league is compared to US level leagues as there are just too many different variables to be 100% certain that any given analysis is exactly accurate..

[endgame]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

As we discussed, my understanding is that all the int leagues will come included with the game as individual templates as well as in a full roster set.

So for those who play fictional or other formats it should be quite easy to add the int leagues to their current universe along with all the proper settings and other int league focused features.

You'll just need to import the templates to your current league. Then if you don't want the real players you can simply delete them, have the game generate fictional players, and voila you'll have a new fully functional league in your universe.

I think that's what you're getting at, right? Would any further explanation or clarification be useful?

Not for me. Thanks. Probably one of those, I'll know if it'll work when I try it things. I just wanted to ensure folks knew it wasn't of limited use. It's for all of us, should we decide to implement it. I thought that was good news.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by endgame

Not for me. Thanks. Probably one of those, I'll know if it'll work when I try it things. I just wanted to ensure folks knew it wasn't of limited use. It's for all of us, should we decide to implement it. I thought that was good news.

Yeah, absolutely.

I also suspect that a lot of the stuff that'll be added to help with the Int League's interactions with each other and with any Major leagues will be greatly useful to anyone who plays with multiple MLB level leagues or with independent leagues in their universe as well.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by sandman2575

as well as some new international leagues like Oz and Italy (again, awesome).

Have to clarify this. Austrialia won't be included as it uses too many players from affiliated ball and OOTP doesn't have a loan system, which is apparently really hard to code.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Have to clarify this. Austrialia won't be included as it uses too many players from affiliated ball and OOTP doesn't have a loan system, which is apparently really hard to code.

Pity, although a loan system is definitely on my personal wish list.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Pity, although a loan system is definitely on my personal wish list.

Yep With a loan system we could include real rosters for Australia as well as all the Caribbean Winter Leagues. Maybe next year.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Yep With a loan system we could include real rosters for Australia as well as all the Caribbean Winter Leagues. Maybe next year.

It would also - potentially - allow for international team competitions, which would be all kinds of awesome.

[haveband]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Yep With a loan system we could include real rosters for Australia as well as all the Caribbean Winter Leagues. Maybe next year.

Hey you know what, we convinced him to do the DSL/VSL and the International leagues. We can try the same thing for next year with Winter leagues and WBC possibly

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by haveband

Hey you know what, we convinced him to do the DSL/VSL and the International leagues. We can try the same thing for next year with Winter leagues and WBC possibly

Yep I'd prefer real Indy leagues first though...

Eh, on second thought, maybe not. A true WBC type tourney would be so darn sweet.

[haveband]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Yep I'd prefer real Indy leagues first though...

Eh, on second thought, maybe not. A true WBC type tourney would be so darn sweet.

Oh yeah that too.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by haveband

Oh yeah that too.

Well, if we hit him up with enough stuff he'll have to ok some of it, right?

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

It would also - potentially - allow for international team competitions, which would be all kinds of awesome.

that was my hope for associations but that didn't work out so well. I would think that if that was possible it would of been announced by now so i'm not jumping to that conclusion, although I will hope.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

that was my hope for associations but that didn't work out so well. I would think that if that was possible it would of been announced by now so i'm not jumping to that conclusion, although I will hope.

It's not happening this year, that's certain.

Who knows about the future though.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

that was my hope for associations but that didn't work out so well. I would think that if that was possible it would of been announced by now so i'm not jumping to that conclusion, although I will hope.

Yeah, it's too late to be in OOTP 15. I'd hope it at least gets looked at for 16 though.

[Carlton]

Actually...no

I am excited for you guys, but I am a historical fantasy type guy who loves to bring major *** stars into MLB to see how they do

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Yeah, it's too late to be in OOTP 15. I'd hope it at least gets looked at for 16 though.

It's been looked at every year lately, this year was no exception. I don't assume that'll change going forward.

It just seems that the time to code/benefit to the game ratio doesn't quite line up to where Markus is willing to implement the feature. Hopefully at some point that'll change.

[Le Grande Orange]

I'm just going to point out the ***, KBO, and CPBL each have their own unique playoff formats. If these leagues are going to be truly represented, that aspect of real life ought to be included too. (Not to mention those leagues all allow tie games.)