Win Shares and HOF Measurements - Page 2

tysok · 07-19-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig Costello

Hi, I'm using Open Office Base to open the file and I don't get the option to look at the help file. (Of course this is my first time using this program, so I might be missing it somewhere).

Any chance you can make the help file available separately or point me in the right direction?

Thanks

You should get the Main Switchboard (blue window) pop up when you open it. The bottom option, "View the help file" is the "help file". If you don't see that, maybe try going to the list of Forms and open "Switchboard".

If you can't open the switchboard it's going to be a monster PITA to use.

Craig Costello · 07-19-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tysok

You should get the Main Switchboard (blue window) pop up when you open it. The bottom option, "View the help file" is the "help file". If you don't see that, maybe try going to the list of Forms and open "Switchboard".

If you can't open the switchboard it's going to be a monster PITA to use.

Hmm. No switchboard opens when I open the database. I see a table called "Switchboard Items", but no forms at all.

Maybe it 's just Open Office that doesn't like it.

tysok · 07-19-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Costello

Hmm. No switchboard opens when I open the database. I see a table called "Switchboard Items", but no forms at all.

Maybe it 's just Open Office that doesn't like it.

I've never seen or used Open Office. This has 40+ forms to it, even more queries and tables etc. If you don't have any forms at all, it must not work or something got screwed up somewhere.

szathkey · 08-10-2008, 11:38 PM

Ok, so first of all this is absolutely my favorite mod of all time...

Unfortunately I seem to run into a lot of problems and am in constant need of help.

So I started in 1871 and just reached 1881. When I calculate the Win Shares for the season all of a sudden the database goes crazy and thinks that there are like 100 of each person (roughly 100 Cap Ansons, 100 King Kellys, etc) and I end up with each person being credited with thousands of win shares (because its adding them all up I think)

Any thoughts? Its been working great up until now!

szathkey · 08-10-2008, 11:46 PM

Nevermind - erased all data and got it to work...who knows what I did?

nymets3000 · 10-13-2008, 12:05 PM

This is probably a terrible question, but how do you save it? I can't find a save option and everytime I reopen it I have to do everything all over again.

tysok · 10-13-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nymets3000

This is probably a terrible question, but how do you save it? I can't find a save option and everytime I reopen it I have to do everything all over again.

That's odd. There isn't any save... once it goes through all the queries it's all written into the tables. Only thing I can think of is maybe you don't have all the csv files it needs, and the missing one is keeping the data from getting written.

Isura · 11-18-2008, 10:40 AM

Does it work for retired players? I simmed ahead 15 years, but didn't do the csv dumps annually.

Mike D · 11-20-2008, 12:01 AM

Do you mean can you dump the info in say 2020 after starting in 2005 and it'll have all the retired players? I believe the answer is yes, but I haven't messed with this in a while. It is fantastic though.

Isura · 11-20-2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Do you mean can you dump the info in say 2020 after starting in 2005 and it'll have all the retired players? I believe the answer is yes, but I haven't messed with this in a while. It is fantastic though.

Yes exactly. I wish to run the program on all retired players.

falkonisback · 11-25-2008, 09:43 AM

Yes, when exporting to CSV files, the database will import ALL players, retired and active.

koohead · 11-29-2008, 09:53 AM

Just wanted to hop in here and and comment on how much this tool has helped my universe in terms of selecting players for the HOF. I don't use Win Shares, but instead rely on the 4 other measurements...HOF Monitor, Standard, and 2 Ink scores.
My general criteria is a player must meet the qualifying standard in 3 of the 4 to be eligible for the Hall. Only exception to that rule is if they have a HOF Monitor score greater than 130...in that case any other 1 qualifying metric will get them into the Hall. The metrics used are what Tysok had suggested:
HOF Monitor: 100
HOF Standard: 50
Black Ink: 40
Gray Ink: 185

So for example, in 18 years of my universe, I've only had 2 batters and 3 pitchers qualify based on the 3 out of 4 requirement, while 6 batters and 5 pitchers total have been inducted using the 130 plus 1 measuring stick. There are a couple players on the bubble, and I would love to induct them, but I'm holding firm to my rules and they'll have to hope for a Veterens committee in 40-50 years.

Here's my question though. I currently induct players the year they retire. Does anyone know if their measurements could possibly change over time? Is there a reason if I'm using this tool to wait 5 years? or will a HOF Standard score of 65 today always be 65 even 100 years from now?

tysok · 12-01-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by koohead

Here's my question though. I currently induct players the year they retire. Does anyone know if their measurements could possibly change over time? Is there a reason if I'm using this tool to wait 5 years? or will a HOF Standard score of 65 today always be 65 even 100 years from now?

I don't believe those numbers change once the player retires. If I remember them well they're based on set numbers the player put up and are not compared to league averages or any other players.

koohead · 12-03-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tysok

I don't believe those numbers change once the player retires. If I remember them well they're based on set numbers the player put up and are not compared to league averages or any other players.

good to know. thanks!

Renner · 12-11-2008, 11:34 PM

This is a great utility ! Thanks Tysok !

falkonisback · 12-19-2008, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koohead

Here's my question though. I currently induct players the year they retire. Does anyone know if their measurements could possibly change over time? Is there a reason if I'm using this tool to wait 5 years? or will a HOF Standard score of 65 today always be 65 even 100 years from now?

I actually added a few bells and whistles myself. Once i import all of my csv files I have a couple of forms (View Eligible Batters/View Eligible Pitchers) and it shows me a list of players eligible for the HOF that have to have a certain amount of PA's or IP and has to be retired at least 5 years. Unless this utility ever becomes completely unusable, I'll never go back to allowing OOTP to select my HOFers for me. Thanks Tysok!!!!

Tony M · 12-20-2008, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koohead

Here's my question though. I currently induct players the year they retire. Does anyone know if their measurements could possibly change over time? Is there a reason if I'm using this tool to wait 5 years? or will a HOF Standard score of 65 today always be 65 even 100 years from now?

Based on the current calculations, yes, but standards will undoubtedly vary over time.

For example, pitching

Pitching Statistics
One point for each 10 wins over 100, limit 25.
One point for each 20 games over .500, limit 10.
For each of the following a minimum of 500 innings is required before these points are added.
One point for each .013 of winning percentage above .500, limit 15.
One point for each .20 of ERA below 4.00, limit 10.
One point for each 200 strikeouts over 1000, limit 10.
One point for each .30 of BB/9IP below 4.00, limit 10.
One point for each .30 of H/9IP below 10.00, limit 10.
One point for each 1000 innings above 1000, limit 5.
One point for each 100 complete games above 200, limit 5.
One point for each 30 shutouts, limit 5.

A top player now might be able to get 20 in the first category, but in the 1920s a lot of players would be getting the top 25 marks available.

koohead · 12-22-2008, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony M

Based on the current calculations, yes, but standards will undoubtedly vary over time.

For example, pitching

Pitching Statistics
One point for each 10 wins over 100, limit 25.
One point for each 20 games over .500, limit 10.
For each of the following a minimum of 500 innings is required before these points are added.
One point for each .013 of winning percentage above .500, limit 15.
One point for each .20 of ERA below 4.00, limit 10.
One point for each 200 strikeouts over 1000, limit 10.
One point for each .30 of BB/9IP below 4.00, limit 10.
One point for each .30 of H/9IP below 10.00, limit 10.
One point for each 1000 innings above 1000, limit 5.
One point for each 100 complete games above 200, limit 5.
One point for each 30 shutouts, limit 5.

A top player now might be able to get 20 in the first category, but in the 1920s a lot of players would be getting the top 25 marks available.

If I changed ERA settings though right? if I left my league totals and ERA modifiers the same for 100 years, the standards wouldn't change I assume.

falkonisback · 05-05-2010, 12:58 PM

Tysok, are you planning on getting this database to work with OOTP 11? Its my annual thread asking this

koohead · 05-05-2010, 06:37 PM

yes please. I loved this utility and have wallowed in sorrow ever since it stopped working for me after the last OOTPX patch.

11-20-2008, 12:01 AM	#29
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,789	Do you mean can you dump the info in say 2020 after starting in 2005 and it'll have all the retired players? I believe the answer is yes, but I haven't messed with this in a while. It is fantastic though. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

11-29-2008, 09:53 AM	#32
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,137	How I use this tool (plus 1 question Just wanted to hop in here and and comment on how much this tool has helped my universe in terms of selecting players for the HOF. I don't use Win Shares, but instead rely on the 4 other measurements...HOF Monitor, Standard, and 2 Ink scores. My general criteria is a player must meet the qualifying standard in 3 of the 4 to be eligible for the Hall. Only exception to that rule is if they have a HOF Monitor score greater than 130...in that case any other 1 qualifying metric will get them into the Hall. The metrics used are what Tysok had suggested: HOF Monitor: 100 HOF Standard: 50 Black Ink: 40 Gray Ink: 185 So for example, in 18 years of my universe, I've only had 2 batters and 3 pitchers qualify based on the 3 out of 4 requirement, while 6 batters and 5 pitchers total have been inducted using the 130 plus 1 measuring stick. There are a couple players on the bubble, and I would love to induct them, but I'm holding firm to my rules and they'll have to hope for a Veterens committee in 40-50 years. Here's my question though. I currently induct players the year they retire. Does anyone know if their measurements could possibly change over time? Is there a reason if I'm using this tool to wait 5 years? or will a HOF Standard score of 65 today always be 65 even 100 years from now? __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-11-2008, 11:34 PM	#35
Renner Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 415	This is a great utility ! Thanks Tysok ! __________________ I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol.

05-05-2010, 06:37 PM	#40
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,137	yes please. I loved this utility and have wallowed in sorrow ever since it stopped working for me after the last OOTPX patch. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

08-10-2008, 11:38 PM	#24
szathkey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 146	Ok, so first of all this is absolutely my favorite mod of all time... Unfortunately I seem to run into a lot of problems and am in constant need of help. So I started in 1871 and just reached 1881. When I calculate the Win Shares for the season all of a sudden the database goes crazy and thinks that there are like 100 of each person (roughly 100 Cap Ansons, 100 King Kellys, etc) and I end up with each person being credited with thousands of win shares (because its adding them all up I think) Any thoughts? Its been working great up until now!

08-10-2008, 11:46 PM	#25
szathkey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 146	Nevermind - erased all data and got it to work...who knows what I did?

10-13-2008, 12:05 PM	#26
nymets3000 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 178	This is probably a terrible question, but how do you save it? I can't find a save option and everytime I reopen it I have to do everything all over again.

11-18-2008, 10:40 AM	#28
Isura Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 361	Does it work for retired players? I simmed ahead 15 years, but didn't do the csv dumps annually.

11-25-2008, 09:43 AM	#31
falkonisback All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Posts: 869	Yes, when exporting to CSV files, the database will import ALL players, retired and active.

05-05-2010, 12:58 PM	#39
falkonisback All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Posts: 869	Tysok, are you planning on getting this database to work with OOTP 11? Its my annual thread asking this