The Early Years

[mh2365]

Looks like you are getting some guys I don't already have .. they will have to join the LBA in 1913

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Dan Bayliff
Global ID 57899
sex male
division light heavyweight
nationality United States
residence Lima, Ohio, United States
won 1 (KO 0) + lost 3 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 4
1893-1900
(Baliff)
Boxrec has him listed as a LHW although the weight class came into being after Bayliff's retirement.
It gives him losses on points to klondike and Jim Arnold and stopped by Kid McCoy.
Credits him with a win vs. Ike Boone.
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing
William schutte
Whitewater, WI
1989
has his career running from 1892-1900
Schutte does not include the bout with Boone.
Credits Bayliff with 5 KO wins, 3 KO loses, the 2 decision loses above, 1 ND, 4 Draws (3 due to police)
Last fight given is a draw with big Ed Dunkhurst

Dan Bayliff HW slugger 1

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Brutus Clay
Global ID 234988
sex male
division lightweight
alias The Blue Grass Cyclone
residence
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 1
1898
Louisville, KY ?
Judged strictly on points Crosby had the better of the argument, but the advantage was not sufficient to base a decision on". Attendance: 1,200.

Brutus Clay LW boxer 0

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Trooper Denton
Global ID 347888
sex male
division heavyweight
nationality United Kingdom
residence
birth place Yorkshire
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 1
1884
stopped by Joe Coverwell in South Africa

Trooper Denton HW slugger 0

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Joe Coverwell
Global ID 305230
sex male
division heavyweight
nationality South Africa
residence
height 6' 1?
won 1 (KO 1) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 2
1884
240 lbs
lost to early South African star mw James Robertson Couper

Joe Coverwell HW slugger 0

[Tosti]

Good stuff bear, i'll try and join in soon, ploughing through my photo's at the moment.

[bear]

Originally Posted by Tosti

Good stuff bear, i'll try and join in soon, ploughing through my photo's at the moment.

Thanks
I've gotten my copy of Schutte's record book out. I'll try to rate everyone he provides a record for that isn't already in my Database

Bayliff was the first of these. Clay was found in boxrec while looking for TC's and i liked his nickname "The Bluegrass Cyclone". Coverwell and Denton are part of my examination of Woolf Bendoff's rating. I'm re-reading a source that lists 11 bouts, all draws or wins, that Bendoff participated in before the first of his boxrec listings. His rating in the game is based on the boxrec posting that has only one draw and a half dozen loses.

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[bear]

Here is my tweak of Woolf Bendoff, He is now a weak HW slugger 1.

a discussion can be found athttp://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2522766

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William Bachman
Global ID 447500
sex male
nationality United States
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 1
1895-05-20 Joseph Elliott L PTS 9 8 scheduled extra round fought
Schutte's American supplement of Boxing gives his career dates as 1892-1896
Record is 5-2-1 and does not include the boxrec bout.
Most notworthy effort is a win over Elwood McClusky.
115 thru 120 lbs 5' 6"

William Bachman BW boxer 1

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Larry Becker
Global ID 67342
sex male
division lightweight
nationality United States
residence Bayonne, New Jersey, United States
won 5 (KO 3) + lost 3 (KO 3) + drawn 4 = 12

Schutte's American supplement of boxing has him boxing from 1893-1898
1874-10-17
128 thru 130
5' 6"
(New York, NY)
TB 30 W 21 (15 ko, 5 Wd 1 wf) L 5 (1 ld 4 kod'by) D 3 ND 1
Schutte doesn't give the Delaney draw, the Roth ko, or the Burgo draw among Becker's results and has the Burns tko win as a ko loss

Larry Becker LW slugger 3

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Philadelphia Jimmy Weeden
(jeremiah Weeden)
not in box rec
Source Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989
London Prize Ring fighter 1875-1876. 5'4 130
Born in England 1854
Died 1877
3 bouts
2 KO wins in 43 and 76 rounds, a LF in 80
In his last fight, his opponent Billy Walker died and Weeden spent the rest of his life in prison in Trenton, NJ.

Philadelphia Jimmy Weeden LW slugger 2

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Pittsburgh Jimmy Weeden
not in boxrec
Source Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989
Born 1850-05-10 Kendal, England
5' 6 1/2 130lbs
came to US in 1879
3-0 in fights in England with 2 of these wins by KO.
In 1882 fought a draw and ND bout here

Pittsburgh Jimmy Weeden LW slugger 1

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Billy Springfield
not in boxrec
Source Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989
140 lbs
1896-1897 1 W-KO, 3 LD, 2 ND in Philadelphia
Schutte reports him boxing in San Francisco late in 1897
Springfield, then remembered The Maine, enlisted in the army serving in Cuba and Puerto Rico.

Billy Springfield WW slugger 0

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Harry Walsh
Global ID 146563
sex male
division welterweight
nationality Canada
residence Canada
won 2 (KO 1) + lost 5 (KO 3) + drawn 0 = 7
1899-1904
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 gives
Born 1877-05-12 Montreal
Died 1960
5' 9 145-158
Schutte has his career span as 1897-1904
TB 42 W 22 (13 ko, 6 wd, 3 wf) D 8 L 9 (5 ld, 4 kb) ND 2 NC 1
In 1901 he appears to have moved to Chicago
Schutte does not include a tko loses to Jack Dwyer in 1899
Seems to have done quite well against average competition but but when facing better guys like Mike Schreck he had problems

Harry Walsh WW slugger 2

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Joe Percente
Global ID 36024
sex male
division lightweight
nationality United States
residence Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
won 5 (KO 4) + lost 7 (KO 1) + drawn 4 = 16
1900-1905
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
born 1877
died 1928-03-10
5'4 130-135
career span given 1899-1903
TB 51 W 18 (12 ko, 6 wd) D 16 L 17 (9 ld, 3lf, 5ko)
Schutte has box rec's loss to Ryan as a draw
tko Loss to Bill Quinn and 05 decision loss to Bronson aren't included

Joe Percente LW slugger 3

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Billy Vernon
Global ID 57882
sex male
birth date 1870-01-01
death date 1897-04-20
division welterweight
nationality United States
residence
height 5' 7½?
won 6 (KO 3) + lost 5 (KO 4) + drawn 0 = 14
1890-1897
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 gives
birth 1870-01-10
5' 7 135-140
nickname: The Haverstraw Brickmaker
career span 1888-1897
TB 45 W 30 (18 ko 11 wd 1 wf) D 6 L 9 (1 ld 8 ko) EX 3
a ND bout vs Johnson and a NC vs Everhardt don't appear in Schutte
10 year career came to a sad conclusion when he died after being ko'd by Leslie Pearce in Athens, PA.

Billy Vernon WW slugger 3

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Johnny Stone
Global ID 189833
sex male
division bantamweight
nationality United States
residence Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
won 5 (KO 2) + lost 3 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 8
1902-1906
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 gives
126-130 lbs
career span 1901-1906
military service Nov. 1902 to July 1905
TB 20 W 10 (3ko 7 wd) D 4 L 5 (1 ld 4ko) ND 1
boxrec includes a ko win vs Duggan that isn't in Schutte

Johnny Stone BW boxer 1

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[Tosti]

Excellent stuff Bear.

These will all be joining my uni when I get it going again.

Only about 50 pics more to upload, plus pics from Chris Greyvensteins 'The fighters'

[bear]

Originally Posted by Tosti

Excellent stuff Bear.

These will all be joining my uni when I get it going again.

Only about 50 pics more to upload, plus pics from Chris Greyvensteins 'The fighters'

Wow, I'm doing a reread of the fighters right now. Read it about 10 years ago. I'll probably add more of the fighters I find mentioned there. I'm making notes. It is an excellent book.

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Corky Smith
Global ID 248606
sex male
division lightweight
nationality United States
residence Youngstown, Ohio, United States
won 2 (KO 2) + lost 4 (KO 2) + drawn 1 = 7
1903-1907
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 gives
Birthplace: Belfast, Ireland
120-130 lbs
Alias: Curley Smith
career span 1902-1907
TB 12 W 6 (6 ko) D 3 L 3 (2 ld, 1 kb) EX 1
Schutte indicates that Smith had additional fights in Ireland, Arkansas, and Missouri in 1904-1905.
KO win vs Wolf and dec. loss to Ryan not in Schutte

Corky Smith FW slugger 2
He's a real weak 2 sincw his career seems to have been comprised of his barnstorming local yokels.

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